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@ karthik

huh ??

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Speed of sound is same. :)


only frequency (apparently) changes

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try to get into the examiner's mind

asking for velocities separately for A and B means asking for relative velocity with respect to them only

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No and i even checked right now in the iitjee solved paper :)

exact words are :

Sol. (D)
Speed of sound is not affected by motion of source on observer. It depends only on the medium
and its state of motion w.r.t. the reference frame used.

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You guys are confusing frequency with speed.

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now
see this
which has made me more confident

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2227232/IIT-JEE-2007-Paper-2-Solutions-by-FIITJEE

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Forget that... Now, you have a source running away from you at say 20m/s, and you are running towards him at 10m/s. Now it is given that c= 340m/s. Do you calculate relative speed of sound everytime while solving such problems?

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what do u wanna say ??

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karthik diff in frequency is only bcoz of diff in rel velocity

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I am beginning to feel im wrong......

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@ gokul i think it is due to the change in wavelength and not due to the change in velocity

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see this

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/dopp.html

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Analysis of doppler effect from wiki

Analysis

It is important to realize that the frequency of the sounds that the source emits does not actually change. To understand what happens, consider the following analogy. Someone throws one ball every second in a man's direction. Assume that balls travel with constant velocity. If the thrower is stationary, the man will receive one ball every second. However, if the thrower is moving towards the man, he will receive balls more frequently because the balls will be less spaced out. The converse is true if the thrower is moving away from the man. So it is actually the wavelength which is affected; as a consequence, the perceived frequency is also affected. It may also be said that the velocity of the wave remains constant whereas wavelength changes; hence frequency also changes.
If the moving source is emitting waves through a medium with an actual frequency f0, then an observer stationary relative to the medium detects waves with a frequency f given by
f = f_0 \left ( \frac {v}{v + v_{s,r}} \right ) which can be written as: f = f_0 \left (1 - \frac {v_{s,r}}{v+v_{s,r}} \right ),
where v is the speed of the waves in the medium and vs, r is the speed of the source with respect to the medium (positive if moving away from the observer, negative if moving towards the observer), radial to the observer.
With a relatively slow moving source, vs, r is small in comparison to v and the equation approximates to
f = f_0 \left (1 - \frac {v_{s,r}}{v} \right ).
A similar analysis for a moving observer and a stationary source yields the observed frequency (the observer's velocity being represented as vo):
f = f_0 \left (1 - \frac {v_0}{v} \right ),
where the same convention applies : vo is positive if the observer is moving away from the source, and negative if the observer is moving towards the source.
These can be generalized into a single equation with both the source and receiver moving. However the limitations mentioned above still apply. When the more complicated exact equation is derived without using any approximations (just assuming that everything: source, receiver, and wave or signal are moving linearly) several interesting and perhaps surprising results are found. For example, as Lord Rayleigh noted in his classic book on sound, by properly moving it is possible to hear a symphony being played backwards. This is the so-called "time reversal effect" of the Doppler effect. Other interesting cases are that the Doppler effect is time dependent in general (thus we need to know not only the source and receivers' velocities, but also their positions at a given time) and also in some circumstances it is possible to receive two signals or waves from a source (or no signal at all). In addition there are more possibilities than just the receiver approaching the signal and the receiver receding from the signal.
All these additional complications are for the classical?i.e., nonrelativistic Doppler effect. However, all these results also hold for the relativistic Doppler effect as well.
The first attempt to extend Doppler's analysis to light waves was soon made by Fizeau. In fact, light waves do not require a medium to propagate and the correct understanding of the Doppler effect for light requires the use of the Special Theory of Relativity. See relativistic Doppler effect.


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Answer:Option(D)

Because the speed of sound is not affected by the motion of
source or observer.It depends only on the medium and on its
state of motion with respect to the reference frame.