@Unique, U probably didn't appear all state boards.........or didn't read the example of my 1st post......

@ anuj:

dekh bhai, the thing is that agar sirf JEE ki prep hi karni hai to koi insaan faaltu mein 12th pass ka tag lene k liye school kyu jaye???

JEE ka jo level hai, i agree CBSE se high hai...but jab tak bachcho ko wo nahi padhaoge to koi IIT mein kaise jaega??? is reason ke liye sab gadho ki tarah din-raat coaching mein padhte hai.

but iska matlab jo coaching nahi join kar rahe n poora concetration CBSE pe de rahe hai, unhe ya to ek saal drop karna padega ya kisi bhi pvt colg mein admission lena padega.

jiske paas capability hai n facility nahin, uska kya hoga???

n dude, kaun bolta hai 2 page k derivation ratto??? unhe samajhne ki zarurat hai, rattne ki nahi.... infact boards mein kaunsa 2 page ka derivation aya tha is baar!!!

aap batao kaun NCERT padhta hai??? sab saale study packages n baaki moti-moti reference book padhte hai....but kabhi dhyaan diya hai ki apni physics n chem ki NCERT kitni achhi hai?? sab refernces isliye padhte hai coz unhe lagta hai NCERT bakwaas hai. infact, adhe logo ko samajh nahi aata NCERT me kya likha hai n refernces ki spoon-feeding waali language padhke lagta hai ki wo NCERT se better hai.

n bhai...boards mein 97% laana aasaan nahi(for what u had mentioned)!!!

i know people who have been preparing on their own and scoring damn good in boards....on their own matlab without tutions and without school notes.ONLY FROM THEIR TEXTBOOKS...kya aise log, who have a great sense of capability, koi achha colg desevre nahi karte??

Arre kyun tum log aapas mein dimaag kharaab kar rahe ho ??!

Maana ki apni NCERTs acchi hain par fir bhi JEE level ki thinkin' ability wali woh baat nahi hai jo aapko Resnick padhne se milegi..... n I've seen ek se ek ratant people in my school scoring gr8 in school chemistry par ek bhi dimaag lagane waala Qn samne aaye toh fir unka band baj jata hai.....

Am not saying ki smone with 97-98 % in boards dosen't deserve nything.... par if he can do tht much he surely wuldn't be a duffer tht he wud land up into a private college..... (kuch saalon pehle tak if smone was a master in rattafication he cud hav done tht ; thts why CBSE has been introducing all this HOTS stuff...)

Still the fact remains tht there is a huge difference b/w wat is required for boards & JEE..... U get with ur real brain when u prepare in the IIT style n not the usual board way....

 Not meant 2 offend but then why is the % selection of girls so low in JEE as compared 2 the boards....? There is news ki all this is being done primarily 2 get more girls in...

Ek aur major thing tht i've felt is the lack in the school teacher's capability itself..... Leaving behind a few rest r the ones who do pay more emphasis on rote learning than on using one's brain..... when u compare ur coaching teachers with ur school ones  u feel the HUUUGE Difference (except for a few!)... If there were such gr8 teachers @ school itself there wudnn't have been ny need for this coaching hype...

Having capability & lacking facilities is a different thing which can't be viewed frm the board-JEE perspective...... & moreover i've seen many students whose board %age drops 'coz of subjects lyke English , n the optional ones...

ya it should not be done as it will make students more to involve in crambing board syllabus

its good tht class xii boards marks will be considered in iitjee as it students wll study for boars properly and results would be better!!!! but first government should try to bring some changes in question pattern!!!! thoda numericals ko badhana chahiye especially in physics and chemestry!!! sabse jyaada physics mein!!!!  derivations thoda kam kar sake  aur conceptual questions jyaada ho to its more better!!!! nahi to sab rat ke hi boards mein le aayega aur aise karke iit qualify kar jaayega!!!! then govt. must consider board xam nos.!!!! and also for every board system should be different!!!

i agree to both anuj and sumedha!!!! they both r correct!!!! just i want to tell anuj tht this year about 50% students qualified in jee without any coaching or tution!!!! so more important is self study!!!!! also i want to ask sumedha tht in india in how many schools teachers properly teach in class xith and xiith!!!! so for this reason we all go in coaching institutes or join tutions!!!!! u also said instead of mugging up derivations we should understand it!!!! but there are so many derivations!!!! so how much we can remember them by understanding them!!!!! then in many coaching institutes all derivations r not tought !!!! and in many schools also not thought properly!!!! so how we wll understand it!!!! just u see any derivation in a book and try to understand derivation!!! then just after a week u try to do tht derivations!!!! thn u wll find tht how much u hve understand it!!! then u do this process wih all derivations!!!! and find the result tht how much u wll remember!!!!

also how many times we can study a derivation as we have to solve numericals!!!!thn also in board question paper, many questions especially in physics r on derivations!!! and only 10 marks question r on numericals!!! and in iit numericals r more asked!!!! but i also agree with her tht we must study ncert books and then any reference books!!!!! but main problem is tht we either find ncert too boring or we don't lyk to read tht book!!!! also the cbse syllabus has degraded by removing chapters or topics from syllabus!!!! so if we prepare properly with cbse syllabus we can qualify jee as jee questions r also based on cbse syllabus more!!!! so the board should revise its question pattern and should introduce rest topics of jee syllabus.

i also want to say tht we also do rote learning while preparing for iitjee!!!!! and we have to do because sometimes we can't remember everything just by understanding it for a long tym!!!

@ vinamra vinay:

as for the question you raised on UNDERTANSDING derivations. it is no big deal. we have been taught integration and geometry. and that's all we need to apply in the derivations. i feel CBSE physics is a bit tough for the PCB students.well, that's out of question here.

anyways, CBSE 12th syllabus has about 40-50 derivations and constructions, workings of ALL the instruments. i had a list of all of them and i did not spend more than 10 minutes a day for my derivations. and revising them so many times, any person can perfect them!!!!

and is baar ka physica board comceptual nahi tha kya??? what was so "theoritical" about it???

if people feel that IIT has a level, then you have to prepare students to be able to reach that level. you can just not go on with the present system and say that its fair enough!!! you cant judge a person's ability to get into IIT by taking such a lame exam!!! lame beacuse not everybody is prepared with the level. what about those who religiously do well in their boards and do not want to spare an year , thus take admissions in private colleges??? do you want to say they dont have the capability to be called an IITian??? for what reason do we have a central board which prescribes book for the board exams??? cant we have a central committee which decides the syllabus for an exam for the most prestigious institution of our country??? students cannot be discarded as being called "NOT UPTO THE MARK". what right do you have to judge people unless you provide them with an equal opportunity???? COACHING classes???!!! they are making a damn profit out of this situation!!! take an aptitude test and you'll figure out how many truly deserve what they get. do the JEE people prescribe in their eligibility criteria that "THE STUDENT NEEDS TO BE PART OF A GOOD COACHING INSTITUTION"? NO. THEY DONT! BUT THEIR SYSTEM OF SELECTION IS NO DIFFERENT!!

and to all of you here who are not in support of this decision, CAN YOU PLEASE ANSWER WHETHER ALL THE STUDENT OF IITs AND NITW AS WELL AS NITT ARE REALLY DESERVING??? THE 22.5% RESERVATION FOR THE SC/ST!!! ON WHAT GROUNDS DO YOU COMPARE STUDENT GETTING 100+ MARKS WITH ANOTHER SCORING 44 MARKS??crap! hopeless!!!

if you really have it in you to get into a prestigious institution then why dont you do well in ur qualifying exams??why do you discrad them as being a shear test of mugged ups???!!! the CBSE is no fool. if still there are doubts then get an aptitute test done. see their capability and mould them to get something out of them.

okk!!! now i want to ask u sumedha tht thr r classes of  abt  less than 150 days school each in cxlass xi and xii. so just u only tell can anyone teach the sylabus of both class xi and xii in a period of less than a year!!!. tht's why in many schools teachers doesn't teach properly. because school teacher wants tht students should take tution from them. also the teachers in plus 2 are not upto the mark!!!!!  so we have to join any coaching institute and tution. see none of the good institutes say tht be depend upon us. i study in fiitjee and their teachers tell us tht we teachers contribute only 15-20% and we contribute 80 % to our studies. yes every  coaching institutes see for profits. but none of the good coaching institutes fool students. only those small institutes opened in every streets may do this. also there's no fault of coaching institutes, instead  we fail to score good in the tests, because we don't get sufficient time to do self study, only i consider this problem is schools, many students waste tym going to school and about 7 hours is wasted due to it only. also we can prepare for boards in a month or 2 months but we can't prepare for jee or aieee in a month or 2. yes i agree with u tht students who secure very good marks in board have capabilty to qualify jee or aieee or any engineering entrance exam. okk they don't qualify jee but they also don't secure a good rank in aieee which is completely based on cbse syllabus, so this proves tht those students simply have done rote learning. now talking abt syllabus, let us consider syllabus of maths, in topic co-ordinate geometry thr's lot of topics whcich is in jee syllabus are not in cbse syllabus, like tangents and normals and u must hve seen this year jee paper tht how many questions were thr from this topics only. and also thr r other important topics also which r not thr in cbse syllabus.

and listen i m also in favour of this decision. but before bringing this change, govt. and board must bring changes  and i also agree tht the reservation system should be removed and due to this reason only iit has degraded its status little bit in the whole world, so after bringing such changes this system should be adopted. and this not only for cbse board it is for all boards

dekho anuj!!!! humlog ye bol sakte hai ki scul mein padhai nahi hoti hai and i agree with this but we can't blame cbse syllabus, and also we can answer questions in jee by studying ncert books as nowadays iit questions has been made to ncert level.

@ anuj:

board mein khusat teacher agar mila bhi to marks mein utna difference nahi aaega...n waise bhi sir, even i had this doubt before the exams but they got cleared out.....board corrections mein students ko aisa lagta hai but hota nahi.. after correction by a subject teacher EACH answer sheet goes to the head instructors who re-evalaute the papers and if they find any goof ups or faults then they are corrected and the teachers responsible are also intimidated.so you get what you truly deserve.there can only be faults in entering the marks for which we have the re-evaluations. i know this procedure so well only because i personally know a few HODs in KVs who are correction heads for 12th.

JEE apna syllabus aasan nahi karta hai to admissions mein zaada fark nahi padega jo ho raha hai, wo chalta rahega...this is just curbing the talents of a thousands of those who actually deserve it and can do this country any good...n naa hi ye possible hai ki CBSE can be brought at par with JEE. but THIS IS THE ONLY POINT I'M TRYING TO BRING OUT!!! IF SOMEONE DOESNOT HAVE ACCESS TO A COACHING, THEN WHAT??? DOES IT MEAN THAT HE DOESNOT DESERVE A SEAT IN ANY GOOD COLLEGE??? AND THIS IS NOT ONLY THE CASE WITH SMALL TOWNS AS U MAY TAKE IT TO BE. I HAVE A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF THE COSMOPOLITAN CITY OF HYDERABAD. THEIR COAHING SYSTEM SUCKS!!! AND SIMILAR IS THE SITUATION WITH FEW OTHER STATES WHICH BLINDLY AND SOLELY SUPPORT THEIR STATE BOARDS. IF A STUDENT CAN DO WELL IN SUCH SITUATIONS WHERE HE DOESNT EVEN HAVE GOOD TACHERS, THEN IS HE USELESS???

LOOK AT SAT!!! MIT, YALE, PRINCETON ARE WAY ABOVE BEING EVEN COMPARABLE TO IITs!! AND DID YOU HAVE A LOOK AT THEIR SELECTION PROCEDURE???

school se aao, coaching jao, ghar aao, fir padho. what do you actually want to make out of yourselves??? a rotten parrot???intellect aise hi nahi aata hai. and as vinamra had very well put that school is a waste of 7 hours, then sir, i am sorry to say but if you feel school is a waste and coachings should be given the prime preference, we will only produce geeky heads. life is not just about sticking and licking your books, :| jo raha hai, wo hi chalta rahega...try giving a chance to those who deserve it and notice the difference!!!

if you feel that a student qualifying JEE has a better brain than one scoring 93% and above in 12th CBSE, then why isnt that person able to score a 90% in boards??? if you cant do it, then you dont even have the right to discard those who can by saying that they have mugged up. crammed up stuff will not get anyone anything. if not now, then at a later stage, the person will fail. thats the reason i said take an aptitude test. learn something from SAT!!!

and vinamra, is it that schools operate only for 150 days??????? well if that is the case then i cannot comment coz i havent come across any such incident.

listen sumedha ji!!!!! yes i consider a school a wastage of time because very less is being taught in school and in coaching atleast something or more is taught! thn scul,!!  also i havn't said tht students who secure 93% in boards doesn't have the same brain and they r not capable. they r very much capable but my point is tht manyof them  r not able to secure good rank in aieee also which is copletely based on cbse syllabus, so what is the reason behind this, it means tht there is a problem in the examination pattern system only. the reason behind tht many students who get selected in iit doesn't get good marks is difference in question pattern of both. i hve said tht there is a 150scul days only for a year. this may not be in your case because u r from kv, central govt. runs it and i m frm private scul, so there is only abt  300 days scul in two years. i also agree with u tht in those areas whr there is no coaching also students qualify from thr also. and its all due to self study. so my point is tht how much tym we waste by going to scul we can do self study being at home only and study both for scul and jee.

first things first: I AM NOT FROM KV. I, TOO, AM FROM A PRIVATE SCHOOL.

and as u hve said abt sat, let me remind u tht in sat basically english and maths is asked. in which logical mathematics is asked and then the english!!!! and abt sat subject tests, let me tell u tht sat questions r very easy just similar to those asked in boards. so there's no problem in answering the questions. the only problem nyone faces in sat is english

so if u r from a private scul u just count ur scul days!!!! and then find it is it suffucient. but i can't say anything also since u r from a different state!!

MY SECOND POINT: YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE OF EXAMINATION PATTERNS IN BOARDS AND AIEEE THEN WHY ARE YOU COMPARING THE TWO? TELL ME WHY MOST OF THOSE WHO GET THROUGH IN JEE OR SECURE A VERY GOOD RANK IN AIEEE DO NOT SCORE WELL IN BOARDS??

YOU MIGHT SAY THAT THEY PAY ATTENTION TO COACHING AND NOT CBSE, BUT IF YOU REALLY ARE CAPABLE OF SECURING A GREAT RANK IN ANY OF THESE THEN WHY DONT YOU FIRST TRY FOR YOUR BOARDS??? WHY ARE YOU GETTING PANICKY OVER THIS DECISION?? WORRYING ABOUT THE STATUS OF IITs AFTER THIS DECISION??? LEAVE IT TO THEM. YOU DO YOUR PART. IF YOU CAN DO WELL IN THE ENTRANCE, WHY CANT YOU DO WELL IN CBSE?