Some important and lesser known points in Organic chem.

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Some important and lesser known points in Organic chem.

Hey frnds,
I have collected some important and not-so-known points of organic chemistry from my notes and assembled them here.
GOC
1-Carbocation stability- Ring expansion should always be given higher priority than tertiary carbocation.
2- If some unknown reactants are given to U and if U cant decide how to start, always give first priority to an acid-base reaction.
3- Carbene(:CCl2)- Triplet is more stable than singlet.



For :CF2- Singlet is more stable than triplet as it can have back-bonding in singlet carbene due to the presence of an empty orbital.
4- Benzyne - The inductive effect(and not resonance) of the group attached to benzene decides the orientation of incoming reagent becoz the triple bond of benzyne is sigma bond and not pi-bond.
5- In Ph-NH3+, NH3+ is slightly more para directing than meta(EXCEPTION).
ISOMERISM
1-Tautomerism - Acidic H should be released only from saturated C and not from unsaturated C.
2-Geometrical isomerism is not applicable in alkynes.
3- For a compound to be optically active, it should lag both plane of symmentry as well as centre of symmetry.If anyone of them is present in compound, it wud become optically inactive.
ALCOHOL,PHENOL & ETHER
1- 1,2 v/s 1,4 addition
Mechanisms are shown in figure.
1,4 product - Thermodynamically stable and is produced in long duration(for example-in reaction with NaBH4).



1,2 product- kinetically stable and is produced in short duration(for example- in reaction with LiAlH4).



=> Generally thermodynamically stable product is given.



2- U all must have read the preperation of alcohol by ketone and grignard reagent. There's an exception to this reaction-



Ketone = Me2CH - CO - CHMe2



Grignard Reagent = Me2CH-MgBr



In the reaction with these reagents, alcohol is not formed by the usual mechanism in which R- attacks C=O. In this reaction, the ketone is reduced by H- from grignard reagent. The concerted mechanism in shown in figure.
If we take a ketone/G.R. bigger than this one => No reaction.
If we take a ketone/G.R. smaller than this one => Normal reaction
Means, the steric hindrance of both the molecules matter and not only anyone.
3 - Luca's test- We all know that 3o alcohols give immediate turbidity with luca's reagent. BUT there are 2 more alcohols which are not 3o but still give immediate turbidity with Luca's reagent(dont ask me the mechanism ). They are-
Ph-CH2-OH and CH2=CH-CH2OH



4- Williamson's Etherification -  The halide used should not be aryl halide becoz the reaction wont take place due to partial double bond character of C-X bond by resonance.
Till now I have been able to collect only these points. Will post more as soon as I assemble them.
Hope these points help U in ur exams.
All the best!!!



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Blazing goIITian

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19 Jul 2008 15:39:10 IST
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i would rather believe a foreign author than an indian teacher! :D

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19 Jul 2008 15:41:36 IST
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I have asked this doubt from a more reliable source.
Lemme get his reply and then I wud confirm whether its sigma or pi.

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see tarin.. by your logic, it means that there are *TWO* sigma bonds, which you know very well is not possible. The two carbon atoms will have sp2 hybridisation. One orbital will form the sigma, the other will form the benzyne pi bond. the third bond, which is a normal pi bond, will be formed by pure p orbitals and will be involved in resonance. Now, how can u say the benzyne bond is sigma??

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19 Jul 2008 21:56:13 IST
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FIrst of all, its not my logic.
Now some facts to support me-
1-The extra bond doesnt effect the aromaticity of the ring(given in Jerry March's advanced organic chem). It wud have effected only when it was pi but as it doesnt effect, it means it is not pi.
2-This bond is between sp2 hybridised orbitals. Now sigma bonds are formed between hybridised orbitals and pi bonds are formed between unhybridised orbitals. And here hybridised orbitals are taking part in bonding, so it shud be sigma.

This concept was taught to me by my sir and if U all are saying that its pi and NOT sigma, its OK. I have asked it from some more teachers and will tell U the correct answer as soon as I get their replies.

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@astatine19,
the third bond is not formed by pure p-orbitals. Its formed by sp2 orbitals.

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I have confirmed that benzyne doubt from the best teacher of organic chem here at BT,Delhi.

The extra bond in benzyne NEITHER SIGMA NOR PI.
Bond is formed when orbitals overlap. In case of benzyne, orbitals DONT overlap. Its just that as C-H bonds are broken, so the sp2 orbitals are tilted and the electron cloud density becomes high in that region and we denote it by showing a bond.

Think urself, if it was a legal bond, means its a triple bond, means C is sp hybridised. And if C is sp hybridised, how can it bend? But the angles of benzene remain almost same. Means it is NOT a triple bond and that third bond is not a legal bond.

Now why it is effected by inductive effect and not resonance? Its becoz its the inductive effect which pushes/pulls the electron cloud and hence the incoming nucleophile is directed accordingly.

Now, alteast I am pretty sure abt this answer becoz this teacher is a post-graduate in chem from IIT-D and is one of the best teacher for Organic at Brilliant Tutorials, Delhi.

Blazing goIITian

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19 Jul 2008 22:49:57 IST
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acha hai , benzyne is out of course LOL :D

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19 Jul 2008 22:50:59 IST
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Benzyne out of course?? LOL
It was never there in the course. :P It wasnt there this yr also. But this topic is generally taught everywhere.

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20 Jul 2008 08:20:48 IST
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I really donno these things.Thanks for the article

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20 Jul 2008 08:53:58 IST
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benzyne is out of course? :O

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20 Jul 2008 09:28:29 IST
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:D well.. i havent heard that the orbitals dont overlap, but it might be true. and ya, i was talking of the third bond as the normal pi bond which is participating in resonance.. its the second bond which is the benzyne bond that we were discussing.. anyways, no use arguing abt out-of-course things, right?? (yes anant, benzyne is out of course)

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@ tarinbansal

Refer to Organic chemistry by morrison and boyd (page no. 998 of sixth edition)

And if you don't have it ,here is a quote from the book page 998

" The sideways overlap of sp2 orbitals forms a pi bond out of the plane of the aromatic pi cloud "

PS : dont say u dont even believe morrison and boyd

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20 Jul 2008 21:02:09 IST
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@werewolf,
Its OK buddy,havent U read my last comment on this thread?
I have accepted that its NOT a sigma bond and have posted the correct answer there.
But again, sorry. My teacher is higher than Morrison boyd for me.

He said that many books and ppl call it a pi bond but its NOT actually a pi. Actually it is neither a sigma nor a pi............ Read my explanation in my last post. I am not explaining the whole thing again here. :-|

Blazing goIITian

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20 Jul 2008 21:22:45 IST
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Ok case shelved :D

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its pie bond thats sure!!

Hot goIITian

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14 Aug 2008 22:36:26 IST
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Cool Dude, Thanks

Cool goIITian

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18 Aug 2008 16:56:49 IST
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its really nice.....

Blazing goIITian

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24 Aug 2008 17:49:45 IST
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i m short of words for describing the usefulness of the article

Blazing goIITian

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27 Aug 2008 17:27:07 IST
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Hehehe.
Thanks. :)

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Even Mukul Ray (Mechanisms of Organic Reactns) has clearly ststed tht in Benzyne, the bond is neither pi nor sigma!!



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