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If x+y+z = 0 with x,y,z[-2,1] then prove that x2+y2+z2  6


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maybe this will work
Its easily proved that only one number can be less than -1
 
So let that be z WLOG
 
So make it 2(x^2 + y^2 + xy) <= 6
 
This is easily proved since |x| and |y| <=1 :)
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i think this is an olympiad prob. What is the source?
 
EDIT: If there is no number st |no| >1, then its anyways proved :)
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sandeep what did u do after u got one of the has to be less than -1???
can u explain a bit
here is my proof
let x,y,z be the roots of a cubic
P(b)=b^{3}+ub-v
u=xy+yz+zx
all it's roots lie within [-2,1]
thus the roots of
P'(b)=0 alpha,eta also lie within [-2,1]
so alpha,=+sqrt{-u/3}<=1
thus  u+3 >=0 or 6>=-2u=0^{2}-2u=x^{2}+y^{2}+x^{2}
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my soln was:
Case 1: WLOG |z| >= 1
Implies there can be no other number with |no| >1
So z = -x -y
implies
the expr is (x+y)^2 + x^2 + y^2 = 2(x^2 + y^2 + xy)
But |x| and |y| <=1
implies the expr <= 6
Case 2: | No number| > =1
Same proof :)
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the expr is (x+y)^2 + x^2 + y^2 = 2(x^2 + y^2 + xy)
But |x| and |y| <=1
implies the expr <= 6
 
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is that right? :)
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what about (x,y,z)=(-1/2,1/2,0)
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that is case 2. Use case 2 to do the same as case 1 :)
 
is it right? im still in doubt :)
 
EDIT: See the edited post for case 2
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Only one no. can be less than -1 . it can take an extreme value of -2. In this case , x2+y2+z2 = 6. In any other case , the modulus of each of the values will be lesser , so the inequality will be true.
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exactly my proof nadeem :)
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right i suppose
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x,y,z[-2,1]
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Yes as nadeem said x cannot be greater than 1 :)
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22 Mar 2008 11:08:07 IST
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i liked pardesi's work.
 
But there was one answer that really took my breath away
 
x2+y2+z2 = 6 - (2+x)(1-x) - (2+y)(1-y) - (2+z) (1-z) - (x+y+z)  6
 
@rohit: the jee problem setters will reveal their source faster than i will
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x^2+y^2+z^2<=6
x^2+y^2+z^2=-2(xy+yz+xz)
 
by rearrangement
the laest value
y^2+2xz
 
this should be as negative as possible
x<y<z
 
x is positive , z is negative
min y^2=0
 
value
-2  x=1,z=-1
 
 
let us add any positive quantity to y and sub it from z as x cant increase
 
q^2+2(-1-q)
(q-1)^2-3
whose min is q=1
-3
 
x^2+y^2+z^2<=-2*-3=6
 
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vinnet bhai, aapke jawab ke doosre line me kuch galat dikhta hey
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(x+y+z)^2=0
x^2+y^2+z^2+2(xy+yz+zx)=0
x^2+y^2+z^2=-2(xy+yz+xz)
ye wali
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sorry, mein bhul gaya ki x+y+z=0!
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i was just pondering about my proof ....i ddidn't use the fact that x,y,z>=-2 though my proof is rite...
actually x+y+z=0 and x,y,z<=1 is sufficient condition for the problem
-2<=x,y,z follows
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yes nice observation :)



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