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Show that the equation x4+4x3-4x-13=0 has two real roots only.
    

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let da roots b a,b,c,d
a+b+c+d=-4
square on both sides and after simplification u get a2+b2+c2+d2=8
a,b,c,d cannot be natural numbers 8 cant b written as sum of 4 squares satisfying da given conditions
den roots cant be fractions i v carefully inspect da given data
so der must b atleast one complex number as root.but as complex roots exist in pairs der shud be 2 complex roots.
so der r 2 real roots
 
sorry 4 doing a lot of guess work


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vpunithraddy, i think ur proof is not accurate.
 
 
can any one please help me?
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Dear,

f(x) = x4+4x3-4x-13

f'(x) = 4
x3+12x2-4

f''(x) = 12x2+24x

f''(x) = 12x(x+2)

hence f''(x)>0 when x belongs to (-infinity , -2) U ( 0 , infinity)

and f''(x) < 0 when x belongs to (-2,0)

now let f'(x) has three roots a,b,c

a lies between (-infinity , -2 ) as f'(x) changes sign between (-
infinity,-2) and f''(a)>0 so minima of f(x)at x=a

b lies between (-2 , 0 ) as f'(x) changes sign between ( -2, 0 )                   and f''(b)<0 so maxima of f(x)at x=b

c lies between (0 , infinity ) as f'(x) changes sign between ( 0 , infinity)  and f''(c)>0 so minima of f(x)at x=c

hence f(x) has two minima at x=a,c and one maxima at x=b
and f(x) > 0 when x tends to  + infinity  and  x tends to -infinity

now only three conditions are possible:

a) f(x) has all four real roots.    then  f(a)<0  and  f(b) >0 and f(c) < 0 

b) f(x) has all four imaginary roots.  then f(a) >0 and f(b) > 0 and f(c) > 0

c) f(x) has two real and two imaginary roots.  then f(a) <0 and f(b) <0 and f(c) < 0


so its sufficient if we proof that f(b)<0

now f(b) =
b4+4b3-4b-13

we know f'(b) =4b3+12b2-4 =0  or b3+3b2-1=0.......[1]

so f(b) = b(
b3+3b2-1) +b3-3b-13       from eq.[1]

or  f(b) =
b3-(3b+13)                  now as b lies in (-2,0) , (3b+13)>0 

hence f(b) < 0

hence there is only two real roots .
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mr.amar gupta  in ur solution u have taken that f1(x)=0 has three real roots.but how can we take like that it may have one real and two imaginary roots.what is the solution then?
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okay sir now i understood how it is.
 
THANK u sir
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this means r u saying that f1(x)=0 has three real roots?
 
but by using cardons method i am not getting real roots for f1(x).please tell me sir.............
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Dear Trisha,

I have shown you that f'(x) has three real roots as f'(x) has changing its sign in three regions........

(-infinity , -2 ) (-2,0) and (0,infinity)

any continuous function should cut the x axis or in other words it has roots if it changes sign .

f'(x) <0 when x-> -infinity but f'(x) > 0 when x= -2

again f'(x)<0  when x= 0  and f'(x)>0 when x-> infinity

so three must be three real roots.


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