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Prove that for , if  is divisible by 30 so is


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here we take


a+b+c=30k


(a+b+c)^5=30^5k^5


=a 5+b+c+5{a4(b+c)+a(b+c)4+bc4+cb4}+60{a3(b+c)2...........c2b3}...............(i)


here d terms wid 60 outside bracket r already div by 30..


for d term 5{a4(b+c)+a(b+c)4+bc4+cb4}


=5{a(b+c)(a3+(b+c)3)+bc(b3+c3)


=5(a(b+c)(a^3+(30k-a^)3+bc(b^3+c^3)


=in above expression all is div by 30 except, 5bc(b^3+c^3)


aagey................................pata nai............hehehe


if above xpression is div by 30............den its proved..............


 


 

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So obviously there are easier methods. Anyone?

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let a be any natural no. then a5 = 30k+a similarly b5=30k+b, c5=30k+c if a+b+c = 30j then a5+b5+c5=30q hence the above result is true


 

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@Ryu : How is a^5 = 30k +a and not 30k + m (m=/a)

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it was just a pattern that i observed i am tabulating the ending digits of a and a^5 just see
a 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
a^5 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
so what i thaught was it should be true for greater no.s than 9 bcos the ending digit is same so the probablity of that m being a is more i tried some examples it was working fine.......tell me are there any violations to this condition.
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All this pattern business is distasteful. Try and obtain a rigorous proof.

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v have to chk abt divisibility by 2,3,5


let me cal x as a^5 y as b^5 and z as c^5


div by 2:


if a,b,c are even x,y,z are even, so in this case div by 2 is satisied


if 1 is even 2 are odd,same will apply for x,y,z hence in this case also div by 2 is satisfied


div by 3:


a,b,c can be 0mod3 or 1mod3 or (-1)mod3 ie v select a,b,c from this such tht a+b+c is 0mod3


now if a is 0/1/(-1)mod3 x will also be 0/1/(-1)mod3 respectively..same can be said for b,c


wat i mean is wat ever remeinder a leaves on deviding by 3 same will be left by x..


now v have selected a,b,c such tht sum of the reminders when devided by 3,is a multiple of 3


now v c tht x,y,z also leave the same reminders..hence x+y+z will also leave reminder div by 3(ie x+y+z will be divisible by 3)


div by 5:


same concept as div by 3


a,b,c can be 0/1/(-1)/2/(-2) mod5 out of which the requisite a,b,c are selected..


now if a is 0/1/(-1)/2/(-2) mod5 then x will also be the same 0/1/(-1)/2/(-2) mod5..


same applies for b,c


so if v have a,b,c such thta+b+c has reminder as a multiple of 5 then x+y+z wud also have the same reminders summed up giving a reminder which is a multiple of 5...hence x+y+z wud be a multiple of 5...


so v see tht when a+b+c is multiple of 2,3,5 x+y+z will also be so..


hence if a+b+c=0mod30,x+y+z=0mod30

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my method  for div by 3,5 revolves arnd the fact tht :


if a=2mod5 a^5=32mod5=2mod5


similarly for the rest of them..

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Gokul has indicated the right direction


The idea is to prove that n5-n is always divisible by 30


From Fermat's Little Theorem n5-n is always divisible by 5.


Again n5-n = n(n-1)(n+1)(n2+1)


n(n-1)(n+1) is divisible by 6 is easily proved (product of 3 consecutive numbers is divisble by 3! = 6)


This means n5-n is divisible by 30


Hence a5+b5+c5 -(a+b+c) is divisible by 30.


Hence if a+b+c is divisible by 30 so is a5+b5+c5

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10 Jun 2008 12:53:56 IST
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ok then my observation was correct. bcos u too r proving the same
n^5-n is divisible by 30.....thank u sir. but....what i have done is just one of the methods used in mathematics.
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Use modular arithmetic. 30 = 2*3*5, so you need to prove that a^5 + b^5 +
c^5 is divisible by 2, 3 and 5.

Look at possible values of a, b and c mod 2, 3 and 5. For example, mod 2
the possibilities for a, b and c respectively are:

0, 0, 0
1, 1, 1
0, 1, 1
1, 0, 0


(The order of a, b, c does not matter). You know that (a + b + c) mod 2 =
0, so the cases
1, 1, 1 and 1, 0, 0 can be eliminated. Plug the remaining cases into a^5 +
b^5 + c^5 and reach a conclusion.

Use the same method for mod 3 and mod 5.



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