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Q. 1. What is the probability that a point chosen at random within a square  is closer to the centre than to the boundary ?

 

Q. 2. Characterize arithmetic progressions in positive integers such that for all n  1, the sum upto n terms is a perfect square.

 

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Sum of n consecutive odd numbers starting from '1' is always a perfect square. 

1 + 3 + 5...... + 2n+1 = n^2

We can check this using formula for sum of AP to n terms.

Alternatively

22-12 = (3)(1)

32-22= (5)(1)

42-32= (7)(1)

52-42=(9)(1)

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(n)2 - (n-1)2 = 2n+1 

Adding all equations we get LHS = n2 and RHS as 1+3+5+....2n+1

I call this the bomb method as everything gets cancelled

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 1st question we draw a circle of radius a/4 ,a being the length of the side so the points within the circle are closer to it's centre then the sides from that you can easily derive probability,the centre of circle is obviously the centre of the square.

 

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But you havent covered every such A.P.

 

I could give you another instance:

 

4, 12, 20,28,36,...

 

Is there a general rule for generating such APs?

 

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Answer to the first question:

 

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 Answer to the second question:

k2, 3k2, 5k2, ........ (2n-1)k2 is the required AP where k belongs to positive integers

sum of n terms of this AP will be n2k2 = (nk)2 which is a perfect square 

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 Answer to the second question:

k2, 3k2, 5k2, ........ (2n-1)k2 is the required AP where k belongs to positive integers

sum of n terms of this AP will be n2k2 = (nk)2 which is a perfect square

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This can be made a little more rigorous as we still dont know if there are any other families of APs that do not have this property.

 

For this you have to look to the theory of finite differences.

 

What kind of sequences generate squares and are summations of an Arithmetic Progression, i.e. the difference of consecutive terms in the given sequence is an AP. From finite differences, this is a quadratic sequence. The fact that every sequence is a square means, the sequence in general is of the form f(n) = (an+b)^2

 

I will write it this way

f:              t1              t2                t3            t4    ......         

AP:   t1        (t2-t1)        (t3-t2)       (t4-t3).......

 

From this we see that the first term of both sequences has to be (a+b)2 = a2+2ab+b2.

 

Now, the general term of the A.P. is f(n)-f(n-1) = (an+b)^2 - [a(n-1)+b]^2 =(2ab-a^2)+2a^2n

 

So the first term of the A.P. is a^2+2ab

 

So, we must have a^2+2ab+b^2 = a^2+2ab from which we obtain b = 0.

 

That means the general term of the A.P. is a^2(2n-1). which is the sequence a^2, 3a^2, 5a^2,.. obtained by Ankit

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THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH !!

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a general solution:

let first term and the common difference be a,d respectively

so we have n[2a+(n-1)d]  2 = k2           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(1)

for integral RHS we must have an even d so let d=2p

LHS = n[a+np-p] = pn2 + n(a-p) + 0

since LHS is a perfect square, the polynomial pn2 + n(a-p) + 0 must have equal roots

so discriminant = (a-p)2 = 0 or a = p

so d=2a

substituting for d in (1)

we have an2 = k2

or 'a' must be a perfect square. so in general the rule is

d=2a and a=perfect square

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good solution, Rahul :)
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@mirka actually my above solution is wrong. i messed up with odd and even cases . here's another

let first term and the common difference be a,d respectively

so we have n[2a+(n-1)d] / 2 = k2       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(1)

or n[2a+(n-1)d] = [root(2) k]2

lhs= dn2 + n(2a-d)+0

as RHS is a perfect square, we must have equal roots of the polynomial dn2 + n(2a-d)+0

or (2a-d)2=0 or 2a=d

putting n=1 in (1) we get a=k2

or the AP is k2+3k2+5k2+...

as obtained by bhatt sir and ankit




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