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" find the sum of all 5-digit numbers that can be formed using the digits 1,2,3,4,5 if repetition is not allowed."
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studying so early in the morn!!!   !!!!
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As choosing a set of 5 out of {1,2,3,4,5} is possible in only one way
   
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So number of all different numbers can be formed by this set is 5! = 120
 
Now imagine placing each of these 5-digit numbers on top of each other in a long list to be added manually. Each of the digits 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 will appear equally often in each of the units, tens, hundred, thousand and ten thousand columns. There are two ways to proceed...

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As 120/5 = 24, each digit will contain twenty-four occurrences of each digit and so each column would add to 24(1+2+3+4+5) = 360.

In adding the units column we write 0 and carry 36.
In the ten column we get 360+36 = 396: write 6 and carry 39.
In the hundred column we get 360+39 = 399: write 9 and carry 39.
In the thousand column we get 360+39 = 399: write 9 and carry 39.
In the ten thousand column we get 360+39 = 399: write 9 and carry 39.

Hence the sum is 39 9 9 9 6 0 = 3,999,960.

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Its a tricky one

As the mean digit in each column is 3, each number is 33333, on average. Hence the sum is 12033333= 3,999,960.

Now you can try to solve this one

Find the sum of all possible permutations of k digits taken from {1,2,3,...,n}, if the repetition is not allowed.

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hey rahul
i like the 2nd method yaar. thats a cool method. thanx 4 sharing it with me.
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Gr8 answer ... rahul gr8 work done ..
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hey rahul , i liked the second method.
But if there are 6 digits ( as in 1,2,3,4,5,6) , then what?
is this method still applicable?
 
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i think the 2nd method is applicable only 4 odd no. of digits nd 4 even no. of digits 1st method will work which is also a good one
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Well I have not tried, but here is a technique, may be i am wrong
For 6 numbers, total possible numbers are 6! = 720

take half of the the average numbers = 333,333 and other half = 444,444

So the sum can be  S = 360 x  333,333   +  360 x 444,444

Try to find out the solution with the first method and compare, may be you get both the answers matched

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wow !
hey rahul ....u're a mathematician yaar.
cool!!
 
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