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If a,b and c are the roots of x3+3x+3 = 0, then find the value of
 
a5+b5+c5
    
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1. a + b + c = 0
 
2. ab + bc + ca = 3
 
3. abc = -3
 
4. Since, a, b, c are the roots of equation,
    a3 + 3a + 3 = 0
    b3 + 3b + 3 = 0
    c3 + 3c + 3 = 0
 
Thus, a3 + b3 + c3 + 3(a+b+c) + 9 = 0
But, a+b+c=0
 
Thus, a3 + b3 + c3 = -9
 
5. (a+b+c)2 = a2 + b2 + c2 + 2(ab + bc+ ca)
        0 = a2 + b2 + c2 + 2(3)
 
Thus, a2 + b2 + c2 = -6
 
Now,
 
( a2 + b2 + c2 )( a3 + b3 + c3 )
 
= a5 + b5 + c5 + a2b2(a+b) + b2c2(b+c) + a2c2(a+c)
 
putting a+b = -c
           b+c = -a
           c+a = -b
 
= a5 + b5 + c5 - abc(ab + bc + ca)
 
= a5 + b5 + c5 - (-3)(3)
 
LHS = (-6)(-9) = 54
 
Thus, a5 + b5 + c5 = 54-9 = 45 
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x3+3x+3 = 0
a+b+c = 0
ab+bc+ca = 3
abc = -3
since a+b+c = 0
a3+b3+c3 = 3abc = -9
a2+b2+c2 = (a+b+c)2 - 2 [ab+bc+ca] = -6
(a3+b3+c3)(a2+b2+c2) = 54
= a5+b5+c5 + a3(b2+c2) + b3(a2+c2) + c3(a2+b2)
writing
b2+c2 as (b+c)2 - 2bc = a2-2bc
we get
2[a5+b5+c5] -2abc[a2+b2+c2] = 54
so
a5+b5+c5 = 45
pls correct me if wrong
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at first a0s1+a1= 0 here s1 is sum of root  meas x1+x2+x3 ad   s2 meas x12+x22+x32 so here a0=1 a1=0,a2=3,a3=3 first we will calculate s1
s1=0, similarly a0s2+a1s1+2a2= 0 so s2 +6=0, so s2 = - 6 similarly
a0s3+a1s2+a2s1+3a3= 0 so s3= - 9 for calculatig s4 we multiply this equatio
x. we get x4+3x2+3x=0
s4+3s2+3s=0 we get s4+3(-6)+0=0 we get  s4=18
similarly multiply eq  x2 we get x5+3x3+3x2=0 we get s5+3s3+3s2= 0 we get
s5+3(-9)+3(-6)=0
s5=27+18 = 45  
 
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Just another method:
Since a3+3a+3 = 0 etc.,
 
We have a5+3a3+3a2=0 etc.(multiplying by a2)
 
Hence a5+3a3+3a2 = 0
 
Also a3 = 3abc = -9 (Since a =0)
 
Now a2 = (a+b+c)2 - 2ab = -6
 
Hence a5 = 3*9+3*6 = 45
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  to an extent same methods as used above but i have just used a conditional identity which can be proved easily using the above methods of multiplication of
( a2 + b2 + c2 ).( a3 + b3 + c3 )etc..
 a + b + c = 0
 ab + bc + ca = 3
 abc = -3
 Since, a, b, c are the roots of equation,
    a3 + 3a + 3 = 0
    b3 + 3b + 3 = 0
    c3 + 3c + 3 = 0
Thus, a3 + b3 + c3 + 3(a+b+c) + 9 = 0
implies a3 + b3 + c3 = -9(since a +b +c=0)
now,
 (a+b+c)2 = a2 + b2 + c2 + 2(ab + bc+ ca)
        0 = a2 + b2 + c2 + 2(3)
Thus, a2 + b2 + c2 = -6
here we can use the conditional identity
( a2 + b2 + c2 )/2.( a3 + b3 + c3 )/3= a5 + b5 + c5/5
when a +b+c=0
now substituting values
we get -6/2.-9/3.5=a5 + b5 + c5
hence a5 + b5 + c5    =-3.-3.5=45

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really beautiful shreyarya. I wish I could give you one more salute for this one.
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i'll be in tenth now(march 12)
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