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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 6 Mar 2008 14:19:09 IST
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If a,b and c are the roots of x3+3x+3 = 0, then find the value of a5+b5+c5
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 6 Mar 2008 17:31:07 IST
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1. a + b + c = 0 2. ab + bc + ca = 3 3. abc = -3 4. Since, a, b, c are the roots of equation, a3 + 3a + 3 = 0 b3 + 3b + 3 = 0 c3 + 3c + 3 = 0 Thus, a3 + b3 + c3 + 3(a+b+c) + 9 = 0 But, a+b+c=0 Thus, a3 + b3 + c3 = -9 5. (a+b+c)2 = a2 + b2 + c2 + 2(ab + bc+ ca) 0 = a2 + b2 + c2 + 2(3) Thus, a2 + b2 + c2 = -6 Now, ( a2 + b2 + c2 )( a3 + b3 + c3 ) = a5 + b5 + c5 + a2b2(a+b) + b2c2(b+c) + a2c2(a+c) putting a+b = -c b+c = -a c+a = -b = a5 + b5 + c5 - abc(ab + bc + ca) = a5 + b5 + c5 - (-3)(3) LHS = (-6)(-9) = 54 Thus, a5 + b5 + c5 = 54-9 = 45
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 6 Mar 2008 17:36:14 IST
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x3+3x+3 = 0 a+b+c = 0 ab+bc+ca = 3 abc = -3 since a+b+c = 0 a3+b3+c3 = 3abc = -9 a2+b2+c2 = (a+b+c)2 - 2 [ab+bc+ca] = -6 (a3+b3+c3)(a2+b2+c2) = 54 = a5+b5+c5 + a3(b2+c2) + b3(a2+c2) + c3(a2+b2) writing b2+c2 as (b+c)2 - 2bc = a2-2bc we get 2[a5+b5+c5] -2abc[a2+b2+c2] = 54 so a5+b5+c5 = 45 pls correct me if wrong
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 6 Mar 2008 17:45:55 IST
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at first a0s1+a1= 0 here s1 is sum of root meas x1+x2+x3 ad s2 meas x12+x22+x32 so here a0=1 a1=0,a2=3,a3=3 first we will calculate s1 s1=0, similarly a0s2+a1s1+2a2= 0 so s2 +6=0, so s2 = - 6 similarly a0s3+a1s2+a2s1+3a3= 0 so s3= - 9 for calculatig s4 we multiply this equatio x. we get x4+3x2+3x=0 s4+3s2+3s=0 we get s4+3(-6)+0=0 we get s4=18 similarly multiply eq x2 we get x5+3x3+3x2=0 we get s5+3s3+3s2= 0 we get s5+3(-9)+3(-6)=0 s5=27+18 = 45
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 6 Mar 2008 20:08:32 IST
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Just another method: Since a3+3a+3 = 0 etc., We have a5+3a3+3a2=0 etc.(multiplying by a2) Also  a 3 = 3abc = -9 (Since  a =0) Now  a 2 = (a+b+c) 2 - 2  ab = -6 Hence  a 5 = 3*9+3*6 = 45
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 6 Mar 2008 20:12:51 IST
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to an extent same methods as used above but i have just used a conditional identity which can be proved easily using the above methods of multiplication of ( a2 + b2 + c2 ).( a3 + b3 + c3 )etc.. a + b + c = 0 ab + bc + ca = 3 abc = -3 Since, a, b, c are the roots of equation, a3 + 3a + 3 = 0 b3 + 3b + 3 = 0 c3 + 3c + 3 = 0 Thus, a3 + b3 + c3 + 3(a+b+c) + 9 = 0 implies a3 + b3 + c3 = -9(since a +b +c=0) now, (a+b+c)2 = a2 + b2 + c2 + 2(ab + bc+ ca) 0 = a2 + b2 + c2 + 2(3) Thus, a2 + b2 + c2 = -6 here we can use the conditional identity ( a2 + b2 + c2 )/2.( a3 + b3 + c3 )/3= a5 + b5 + c5/5 when a +b+c=0 now substituting values we get -6/2.-9/3.5=a5 + b5 + c5 hence a5 + b5 + c5 =-3.-3.5=45
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 6 Mar 2008 20:14:06 IST
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really beautiful shreyarya. I wish I could give you one more salute for this one.
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 6 Mar 2008 20:16:57 IST
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thank you sir
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 6 Mar 2008 20:24:05 IST
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shreyaarya are u really below class tenth!!!! amazing
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 6 Mar 2008 20:27:22 IST
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i'll be in tenth now(march 12) thank you
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 6 Mar 2008 20:41:10 IST
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thats really impressive for any class
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 6 Mar 2008 20:46:34 IST
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whooaa... shreyarya... thats really superb stuf..
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 19 Apr 2008 18:57:58 IST
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nice solution, shreyarya..............
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 19 Apr 2008 18:58:25 IST
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nice solution, shreyarya..............
in fact great
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