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\text {Solve:} \\ \\    \frac {4x^2} {4x^2+1} = y \\ \\    \frac {4y^2}{4y^2+1} = z \\ \\    \frac {4z^2}{4z^2+1} = x


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25 Mar 2008 19:43:07 IST
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one could be x=y=z
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x=y=z=0 is one soln
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I am looking for all solutions. x=y=z=0 is one. Are there any other. Your working should be able to exhaust all possibilities.

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x=y=z=1/2


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25 Mar 2008 19:51:07 IST
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did u get it
i think it is the last possible solution

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did who get it?
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i am not sure if we can do this, but by symmetry
x=y=z=a

so

4a2/(4a2+1)=a

so if a not equal to 0

4a=4a2+1

(2a-1)2=0
2a=1
or a=1/2

substituting a=0
works

so values of
a=x=y=z={0,1/2}

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25 Mar 2008 19:52:47 IST
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solved kya
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WLOG assume 1>x>=y>=z>=0
Clearly from eqn1 and eqn3 making eqn3>=eqn1 we get z>=x which is a contradiction So x=y=z
 
so solving the quadratic eqns, x=y=z ={0,1/2}

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thats wht i said

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sorry, but where did you say that? im sorry i didnt see it :)

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i think it was not posted on web
i told after the ans i gave 
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{1/x + 1/y}= (1 + 1/2x)^2 1
{1/x + 1/z}= (1 + 1/2z)^2 2
{1/z+ 1/y}= (1 + 1/2y)^2 3
assume 1/x>1/y>1/z
tcompareing RHS hen v shud have  3>2
 which will mean 1/z + 1/y>1/x + 1/z but this is false
if v assume 1/x>1/z>1/y
then comp RHs 1>2 => 1/x+1/y>1/x+1/z but this is false..
assume nething else(inequality) v get 1 such relation false
so only possibility is x=y=z

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well i neednt have complicated so much...its obvious

but 1 can say i think differently
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let 2x = \tan a , 2y = \tan b, 2z =  \tan c
so, the eqns are:

\frac {\tan ^2 a}{\sec ^2 a} =\frac{\tan b}{2}

=> \sin ^2 a = \frac{\tan b}{2}
similarly

=> \sin ^2 b = \frac{\tan c}{2}

=> \sin ^2 c = \frac{\tan a}{2}

multiplying all 3, and replacing \tan a as \frac {\sin a}{\cos a} we get
\sin a. \sin b. \sin c.(8\sin a. \sin b. \sin c. \cos a. \cos b. \cos c - 1) = 0

\sin a. \sin b. \sin c.(\sin 2a. \sin 2b. \sin 2c. -1) = 0

so \sin a. \sin b. \sin c = 0 which gives you
x=y=z=0.

OR

\sin 2a. \sin 2b. \sin 2c. = 1
which gives you a = b = c = \frac {\pi}{4}
=> x = y = z = \frac 1 2
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phew!
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gokul, how is the soln any diff?
 
@sandy1990: Im sorry, but i dont have saintly powers to conceive what people have in their minds or what people mumbled to themselves
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shrids, i thought of the same thing at first but realised that it was tooooooooo tedious man :D
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25 Mar 2008 20:28:45 IST
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no i wasn sayin soln is different..
i did huge process to prove x=y=z...
so my polite way of sayin im different is directly related to the rude way in which u wud say im stupid!
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neway after x=y=z its obvious..so no pt every1 postin same thing



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