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NODAL ANALYSIS
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First read this article before seeing this thread-


http://www.goiit.com/posts/list/0/community-shelf-circuit-solving-was-never-so-easy-67415.htm#332300


I have posted there an example of rearranging circuits, here I am posting an example of solving circuits. U can also post ur doubts in circuits here only and I wud try my best to solve them.


The question is very common i.e., to find current in each branch.


In the second figure, I have applied 0 and V potential to A and B terminals respectively. As a,b,c are connected to A by a wire, A,a,b,c wud be at same potential.


Now the potentials of d,e,f are calculated as we are going from higher to lower potential of the battery, so we wud subtract battery's voltage from V.


Now comes the real application of Nodal analysis. U can consider either 0 or V-10/V-8/V-12 to be at higher potential according to ur own will. It will not alter the answer. Here I am considering 0 to be at lower potential and as current flows from higher to lower potential, the direction of current wud be as shown.


Now apply kirchoff's junction law at B. Means net current entering B = 0.


Now, I = V/R


so,


(V-12-0)/4 + (V-10-0)/4 + (V-8-0)/5 = 0


from here on solving, u wud get, V = 71/7.


Now u know potential difference across every resistor and u can now find current in each branch.


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Hope u understand it.
If U have any doubts in this question, ask me and u can also post ur own doubts in circuit solving here in this thread only.
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(V-12-0)/4 + (V-10-0)/4 + (V-8-0)/5 = 0


in this step u hav takin I=0


can u do this using v in circuit or wud it b lenghty!


wll gud 1

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How can u take V??
I am doing this in accordance with Kirchoff's junction law which says net current at a junction is zero. NOT voltage.
Hope u get it.
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every capacitors capacitance = C


find equivalent capacitance

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TARIN,


 


PLZZZZZZZ CAN U SOLVE A QUESTION WHICH CONTAINS SERIES AS WELL AS PARALLEL COMBINATION.....


 


I AM WEAK IN THIS PART.............SO PLZZZZZZ ELABORATE YOUR ANSWER........

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SORRY ITS UNTIDY..............


 


PLZZZZZ SOLVE EQUIVALENT CAPACITANCE........

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@ganesha1991,


Ur question is a simple one. First try to simplify the circuit to maximum possible extent in its given design.


For example, the 2 capacitors shown in first drawing of Figure-1 are in series so in second drawing, I replaced them with a single capacitor of C/2.


Now both the ends of this C/2 capacitor are connected by the same wire, hence the potential across both its ends wud be same(as potential remains constant in a conductor). So it means that potential difference across this capacitor wud be zero and hence it is short circuited or u can say, it is no more there in the circuit.


So, after removing it, U wud get a more simplified circuit shown in third drawing of Figure-1.


Now coming to figure-2, as I have done in my article, I take A to be at 0 potential, B to be at 100 potential and some arbritrary V potential.


And as I have shown in my article, the points connected by same wires wud have same potentials(Drawing-1 of Figure-2). And as U can see, capacitors 1,2,3 have same potential difference across them, so it means they are in parellel as potential remains same in parellel.


Now naming equivalent points with same numbers(drawing-2 of Figure-2) I have redrawn this circuit(drawing-3 of Figure-2).


Now its very easy to solve. And the answer is 3C/4.


Hope U understand it.

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@reddevil_2009,

The circuit U have drawn is a Wheatstone Bridge. Just short circuit the central capacitor and rest of the simplified circuit is really easy to solve.
Tell me if U still face some problem.
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Sorry.............cant understand......


 


plzz , tarin i would be thankful if u would solve the full question in detail......

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Just mark the equipotential points, and find out which capacitors are in series and which are in parallel!
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@reddevil_2009,


Ur question is pretty simple, so no need to complicate it using nodal or equipotential method.


Just luk at the figure-


2 capacitors are connected to A, 2 are connected to B and one capacitor is connected between those 4. Hope u understand how I have redrawn it.


Now if all the capacitors are of equal capacity, its a Wheatstone Bridge(Hope u know abt wheatstone bridge). Which means the centre capacitor wud be short circuited and the figure is more simplified to the second drawing of the figure.


Now its really easy to solve, and the answer wud be C.


Hope u get it.

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thanxxxxxxxxx


 


can u solve this one toooooooooo..Cant get its answer.


 


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@reddevil_2009,


Both the middle branches wont get short circuited here. See, one of the branch is directly connected to the terminals. So that branch wont get short circuited. The other one which is not connected to terminals wud get short circuited.


Now after short-circuiting that branch, its now an easy question as all are in parellel now.


So ans= C/2 + C/2 + C = 2C


 

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THANXXXXXXX


 


BUT WHY HAVENT U DONE IT WITH NODAL ANALYSIS????

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plzzzzzzz solve this one tooooooooooo


cant get answer...........maybe my concepts are wrong..........hope u can do it.


 


 


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I am solving these questions by nodal analysis.


Q.1- Figure-1


I have taken A to be at V potential, B to be at 0 potential and C to be at V' potential. Now in drawing-3, I have distributed same potential to the points connected by the same wires.


Now U can clearly see that except the capacitor connected to A, all other capacitors have potential difference V' across them, means all of them are in parellel. And now the circuit can be redrawn and simplified easily. And the answer is 5C/6.


Q.2- Figure-2


I have first simplified the capacitors in series. Then I have assumed A to be at 0 potential, B to be at v'' , and potentials v and v' at other points in the circuit as shown in Drawing-2.


Now in drawing -3, I have distributed the same potential to the points connected directly by a wire.


Now , it can be clearly seen that all the three capacitors of capacitance C/2 have same potential difference(v-v') across them, means they are in parellel.


Now the circuit can be redrawn as shown in drawing -4 and equivalent capacitance can be easily calculated. Ans is 3C/8.


Hope my answers are correct and U understand the method.

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SORRY DUDE .....................BOTH ANSWERS ARE WRONG............


 


ANS1  = C/3


ANS2  = 2C


 


TRY TO CORRECT THEM..............PLZZZZZZZZ




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