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Well in this section i will post some lengthy but comprehensive and easy to tackle qs for others and i will give one week for  soln.

This is the first one .

 in the given figure the capacitor has a dielectric and attached to a resistor and cell. When the circuit is closed the current flows to the dielectric and it gets charged. Now the new thing is that the dielectric isn't a perfect insulator but has a finite resistance W  while the dielectric constant is K for the same.

      The capacitor is charged and also discharged. Assuming that rate of charging is more than rate of discharging. Find :

1  : charge on the plate as a function of time if  w is tending to infinity.........3 marks

2 : charge as a function of time if w is a real finite....................5 marks

3 : verify your result of qs 1 by using the result of qs 2............2 marks

{ guidlines : if there is some error in qs nudge me. Please post all your answer together.}

date : 17th june, 2009

due time : 1 week

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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18 Jun 2009 21:22:36 IST
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yeah. gud quesn.. and gud work by u blade x.. u deserve a 100 cakes for starting this....

and now, to business...

 

hey, i dont know whether u're able to see the picture..

but here it is.. the resistance of the dielectric slab can be considered a resistance wire parallele to capacitor.. 

let R (eff) be the net resistance across capacitor, 

so, 1/ R(eff) =  1 / R + 1/W 

ques1 :   applying kircoff's laws and deriving, i'm getting 

that is.. q = EC { 1 - e^ [-(t/RC + t/WC)] }

where C = KEA/ l  ( E = epsilon not )

ques 2 and 3 :  put W = infinity

q = EC { 1 - e^(-t/RC)  }

 

 

 

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19 Jun 2009 15:17:51 IST
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WELL VIGNESH first of all one advice as a friend. Always try a qs first by the FUNDAMENTAL METHOD. Here I think you have made a fallacy but I will keep my words and post it after 4days as I had said. 

          The qs is very fundamental and easy. Not at all unncesary tough and I believe you will soon have qs on " leakage current " in future IIT JEE. We have qs like this in I.E. Irodov - I was inspired to make this qs from there. 

        keep trying!!!!!!!

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19 Jun 2009 15:43:42 IST
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as dieletric has sum finite resistanace so we have to consider drop in potential due to that resistance W also


applying kirchoff's rule across the loop


we get


E - i*W - i*R - q/c = 0


rearranging we get


  =


at t=0 considering q=0 becoz capacitor is uncharged initially


soving we get


 


 

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hahahaha Now I CAME TO KNOW WHAT BLUNDER VIGNESH AND TARAN HAVE DONE. CURRENT IN DIELECTRIC AND CELL IS NOT SAME...........WHAT A MISTAKE ? THATS WHY I GAVE THE QS. i CURRENT IS CHARGING THE PLATE OTHER IS DISCHARGING.

sorry both of you.........but you are wrong

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19 Jun 2009 16:04:57 IST
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thanks for trying
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 hey dude, mine and taran's answer are not the same... are u able to see the circuit i posted.. 

this is what i meant.. and the answer according to me came as 




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