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simple kirchoff's law
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though i used to solve such type of problems with nodal analysis only which covered every circuit problem, i wanna know the same with kirchoff's law as well
 
here's the figure and i do not know how to apply the sign convention here, as on one hand the charge is goin from +ve to -ve , but if we think regarding the capacitor plate, it's exactly the reverse !
i mean just explain it to ne using the sign convention of kirchoff's law .
 


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just a moment , attaching the figure !
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somebody just tell me the sign convention to be followed as this is not the same case of a b attery attached with a resistor !
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there are capacitor plates which themselves have + and - plates, and they are attached with oppostiely charged plates. so how will we decide the rise and fall of potential ?
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18 Mar 2007 01:32:26 IST
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see vish capacitor is considered as whole system and not the parallel plates. see it as a system and not  parallelly placed plates.
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ok !! thanks dude adi !
so, can u just give me the sign convention which i must write for the question in the diagram ?? pleasse please ?
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secondly here the charge just doesn't flow at all. see it would be wrong to show the arrow depicting the flow of charge as it doesn't flow in capacitor. rather in the diagram u have shown they are connected therefore they will share their charge and try to reach at same potential.


and thus here charge will be shared from 4cv capacitor to
cv capacitor
 
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vish can u plz tell me what is this nodal analysis. do u live in delhi vish

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take above charge cv positive n 2cv negative
pottential(V)=C1VI-C2V2/C1+C2
n similarly find otherformulas
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ya ! in delhi ! yaar , it is a bit difficult to tell u the entire process, but we consider a node in this and make the chage as 0 ! similar to kirchoff ;s
neways, anyone please give the solution to this problem !!
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did u got my answer of the ques. regarding dielectric placed in the capacitor.
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18 Mar 2007 01:47:06 IST
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I think the charge that flows through the circuit is zero as the charge is stored in capacitor and it doesn't flows through it.

plz tell me answer if I m wrong
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nope sorry ! charge does flow ! i want how much charge gas flowed !
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18 Mar 2007 01:50:31 IST
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reply me soon yaar. whether I m right or wrong

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charge will defintely flow ~!
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ok  i have solved.
see the potential of the 2c capacitor when it has initial charge of 4cv  is 2v. and Ily the  potential of the c capacitor is v.

when they are connected in parallel they tend to come at same potential and they share charge. charge flows in the outer circuit from 2c to c from left of the 2c capacitor  & amount of charge that flows is q=2cv from 2c to c
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not sure, let wait for the expet !
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18 Mar 2007 10:25:20 IST
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help !
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i expected atleast one to try !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ok let me tell till which point i have reached


let us assume a charge +q is given from the capacitor having charge 4CV. now, this charge shall get absorbed into the other capacitor and cause necessary changes in the charge distribution.
now, i am not getting to do just the sign conventions !!!!!!!



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