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This may be a simple standard qn but im not gettin the final ans.
An ideal gas is contained in a piston cylinder arrangement. Area of piston is A and its mass is M.
The surrounding atm pressure is P0. Under equilbrium condition, volume of the gas is V0 . Find the angular frequency of small vertical oscillations of the piston assuming expansion and compression of the gas to be adiabatic. assume adiabatic constant =.

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\sqrt{\frac{\gamma.A}{V_{0}}\times(g+\frac{P_{0}A}{m})}


    
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sorry messed it up...pls refer my post some 3-4 posts below i think
dF=dP*A
dF=ma=-y*(P/Vo)Adv=-y*(P/Vo)(A)^2dx,P=Po+mg/a


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gokul i didnt understand how u got the relation could you please explain!!!
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Arey just see HC Verma example.

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I dont have HC Verma.
u shud realise dat
not all people have access to dat book.
If u have it or happen to know it, y dont u post the soln??

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K man.. here it goes:

For adiabatic expansion: PV^gamma = C

Taking logs we get lnP + gammalnV = lnC
which gives dp/P + gamma dv/V = 0

dp = -gammadvP/V

NOw since frequency is small we can assume P = Po + mg/A  and V = Vo

maA = - gamma Adx (Po + mg/A)/Vo

Now we can find omega.

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im sorry i think i got wat u r sayon initially but i messed up the ans:
gamma=y
we can easily get dP=-y*(P/Vo)*dv
dF=dP*A
dF=ma=-y*(P/Vo)Adv=-y*(P/Vo)(A)^2dx,P=Po+mg/a
a=-y*(P/Vo)(A)^2/m(dx)
so we have a =to -w^2x
w=root(y*(P/Vo)(A)^2/m)
= root{y/Vo*(Po+mg/A)A^2/m}

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to prove 1st part of my ans: v no tht PV^y=c..jus diff thts all

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