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work done in heat processes
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somebody plese tell me in which of the process(isothermal,adiabatic,isochoric,isobaric) is the work done maximum with explanation.


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it is in a adiabatic process...
cos its definetly not isochoric ...
and at constant pressure  think about a pressure cooker ...
and not isothermal because in some cases work is done by increase in temperature...
so its goy to be adiabatic....
 
 
plz do tell me if im wrong.... 
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the answer adiabatic is right but i was thinking that since in isothermal process T remains constant so the internal energy must be 0 and applying first law of thermodynamics Q=U+W we will get Q=W, i.e, all the heat must have been utilised for doing the work.
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By the first law of thermodynamics dQ=dW+dU.
 
When an isothermal process is considered, whole the energy supplied of taken affects only the work done. This is becoz in an isothermal process the total change in internal energy is always 0 i.e. dU=0    => dQ=dW.
 
So the work is done maximum in an isothermal process.
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is this valid for expansion,compression or both??

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if we consider the area under the curves in the p-v graph,we will see that work done is max under the curve for isothermal curve....so i think work done is max 4 isothermal process.
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Adiabatic process

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oops....sorry...i confused the isothermal curve for the adiabatic curve!!
sravan is correct,work done is maximum for adiabatic process and it follows easily from the area under the curves.
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WILL SOMEONE GIVE ME A DEFINITE ANSWER SOME SAY ISOTHERMAL OTHERS ADIABATIC..MAYBE EXPERTS OPINION NEEDED HERE.
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well dear, the adiabatic curve has a steeper slope if u differntiate the equation of this process that that of isothermal.hence, area under adiabatic curve is more !
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All of you, have a look !!
IF YOU DRAW A P-V GRAPH THEN AREA UNDER THE CURVE WILL GIVE YOU THE AMOUNT OF WORK DONE, WHICH IS MAXIMUM FOR ISOBARIC PROCESS. DO IT YOUR SELF AND SEE.
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work done is depend on the are under the PV graph::


 


isobaric > isoothermal > adiabatic > isochoric

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I guess sagar's (sir) answer is correct ...the graphs are like:


 


isobaric: (PV graph)


http://www.st-ansgar.k12.ia.us/SCHWIESOW/Science/Physics/notes/images/isobaric.gif


here, work is maximum coz area under line is maximum .


Isothermal and Adiabatic:


 


http://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~cfadd/1150/14Thermo/Images/graph02.gif


 


Clearly , the Isothermal curve occupies more area .


 


& for Isochoric process:


 


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Wykres_P-V_przemiany_izochorycznej.svg/600px-Wykres_P-V_przemiany_izochorycznej.svg.png


 


Here , area is zero coz is zero, so work is zero ...




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