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The changes in the pattern of IITJEE were made so that people do not have to rely on coaching for IITJEE.


Most of the students who became successful from Kota were droppers


In order to reduce the dependence on systems like kota which make a mockery of the schools, the JEE advisory board (JAB) decided to make the following changes



  • Eliminate Mains and make it single stage objective type

  • Reduce the attempts to just 2

  • Bringing the level close to Class 11 and 12


In 2005, the number of freshers who got thru were 30%


In 2006, when droppers were allowed, after the change, the fresher who got thru rose to 45%


In 2007, the freshers incresed to over 55%


With a larger number of students appearing for IITJEE in 2008, the figure of freshers who get thru is expected to rise above 65%


Bansals in Kota used to take only 300 students ealier.


Now he has started taking over 6000 students. if we see the percentage selection from these 6000, it is not more than 10%. These 6000 are selected out of over 35000. The percentages are for all to see. it is less than 3%.


This is another proof of the Kota system getting outdated. however, it may continue to thrive for time.


People throng after the brand name and do not think of the real process.


 

    
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I dont understand why all the students from Kota have not responded to this post.
Does Kota not require a rescue act?
Or is it bad to bring out the systemic faults of these coachings?
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so r u saying that bansal is totally waste or they r just creating a hype bout their jee coaching
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I dont think either of the points has been made here.

What Wise may be saying is that the Kota method was well suited for the old pattern where students dropped an year to prepare for mains.

In the new pattern, Kota system may be irrelevant.

So, all those working hard may just be trying to push against the wall.
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i cant still get u do u mean going to kota is not necessary to crack jee with a good rank like top 100
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wiseiitian what r u trying to convey
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the point being made is that kota may not be as effective anymore for success in IITJEE
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but why then are they getting such good results............i mean they got air 1 and most of the top 100 guys r from kota.........
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hey frnds.......................i got this info...............however i forgot 4rm where i collected it.........LOL...........just wanna share............



Reasons

IITJEE used to bring in emotions of adventure, challenge, competition, sport and

excitement at one point in time. While the preparation called for an in depth study of the

subjects, which took time, there was never any doubt that only hard work was never

going to pay dividends. The students used to focus on their Class XI - XII and practice

problem solving skills which helped in solving IITJEE problems.

The toughness and the novelty of the IITJEE allowed only the best to get thru. The

IITJEE was known for throwing up problems, which had never been seen before. It was

seen as a system, which would continue to succeed due to its ability to ask questions in a

completely different light.

However, the increased premium on the IITJEE saw students getting crazy after the

?Indian Institute of Technology?. This craze is justified, as, fortunately or otherwise, IITs

are arguably the best education centers in the country. Students from all backgrounds

started looking at IITs as the ultimate solution for solving the problem of security and

career. Coaching institutions mushroomed and a search for breaking the IITJEE success

formula started. With people ready to put in 3-4 years of their life, (like the pursuit of

IAS) coaching institutes in Kota managed to create a system, which undermined the

whole purpose of IITJEE.

Coaching community in Kota found out that there is a limit to the type of problem

solving methods, which can be applied with, in the given syllabus. So they started a

method, which just focused on learning the various methods and identifying the problem

on which to apply these methods. This method undermined the conceptual understanding

of the subjects (PCM), which was earlier seen as a precursor to being able to attempt such

problems, to such an extent that students stopped going to schools completely.

The schools in Kota, in their greed for money worked in connivance with the coaching

institutes and students got attendance without attending the classes. During the day,

students just focused on learning various methods of problem solving.

Now there was no need to be smart or to have an aptitude and interest in Science. One

could crack IITJEE by simply being extremely hardworking.

As a result, the performance of students who got thru IITJEE from Kota turned out to be

very bad during the study at IITs. There was a distinct pattern of students showing

incapability in living up to the high standards of scientific temperament required for

excellence on a global scale.

The teaching community at IITs had been shouting for a long time to do something about

the "Kota Syndrome". The government and JAB (JEE advisory board) have taken exactly

the steps required to deal with it.

The competition has not got any less tough. If at all, it has got tougher. The exotic nature

of the IITJEE used to keep a lot of bright students away from the test. Now, with its

alignment to Class XI- XII and an objective type pattern, more students are likely to take

plunge and make it tougher.



Impact on Methodology of Study

The earlier pattern expected the student to learn to solve long, descriptive problem types.

Students spent most of their time in preparing for the same. Now only objective type

problems shall be asked. While the students will still have to develop problem-solving

skills, they wont have to focus on learning various techniques needed to solve difficult

problems. A good understanding of PCM coupled with an analytical mind having

scientific temper will suffice.

NEW SKILLS

1. Speed

2. Scientific Knowledge

3. Science Reasoning

4. Comprehension

5. Problem solving

The new dimensions on which a student shall be measured are comprehension and

reasoning with speed gaining importance. In order to test the comprehension, there will

be a write on which the questions shall be based.

As a student, you will be asked to show is that you know how science works. You will be

asked to interpret charts, understand the design of experiments, and resolve disputes

between competing theories. In short, you must be able to comprehend science as it might

be presented in a magazine or newspaper to an educated, but non-specialist, audience.

Science is all about the observation, description and explanation of natural phenomena.

Although scientists often disagree with regard to theories and explanations, their disputes

can always be settled by observed data.

IMPORTANT FEATURES OF SCIENCE

? QUANTIFICATION: Scientists put numbers on things. They count and measure

objects and events. Because they present their findings as numbers, one of the

most important scientific skills is the ability to think quantitatively. The math is

usually not too difficult; you just have to be comfortable with extracting and

interpreting information from tables and graphs.

? EXPLAINING CAUSAL PROCESSES: Real scientists want to know how

physical systems work- like what happens when a hydrogen atom splits, or how a

tree can grow 50 feet tall when it takes in nothing but air and water.

The goal of most science is to explain the chain of causation that brings about

certain events. Three main types of questions are expected in this category: data

representation, conflicting viewpoints and experiment summaries.



SCIENTIFIC REASONING TYPE QUESTIONS

1. LOOKUP QUESTIONS: Lookup questions are the easiest question type that

you?ll see on the Science Reasoning test. They simply require you to "look up"

information given in a table or graph. If you can read the table or graph, you can

answer the question correctly. To ace a Lookup question, you just look at the table

or graph in question and locate the answer! It?s that simple.



2. SPOTTING TRENDS QUESTIONS: These questions ask you to determine the

value of a new piece of data not given in a table or chart. To answer a Spotting

Trends question correctly, you must use your logic skills to deduce the value of a

new piece of data, based on the other data that you?ve been given.

3. INFERENCE QUESTIONS: These questions ask you to draw conclusions and

make predictions based on the information given in a passage. They?re a bit more

difficult than Lookup or Spotting Trends questions, because they require higher

reasoning skills. To score well on an Inference question, you must again use your

logical skills of deduction. This time you use logic to deduce a conclusion or

prediction based on information given in a passage.

4. SCIENTIFIC METHOD QUESTIONS: These questions ask you to identify the

purpose and procedures of an experiment or to come up with ways to test a given

scientific hypothesis. They might also ask you to devise entirely new experiments.

Scientific Method questions can be pretty difficult. To answer them correctly, you

must draw on your knowledge of scientific procedures and your understanding of

how research is conducted.

5. COMPARE/CONTRAST QUESTIONS: These may ask you to determine

similarities or differences between the viewpoints given in the passage. They may

also require you to identify particular features of one or both viewpoints. To score

well on Compare/Contrast questions, you must use your understanding of

scientific arguments to differentiate between two or three given views.

P

ACING STRATEGY

1. Always read the easiest passages first, and answer the easiest questions first, too.

2. The easiest passages take less time to read and contain concepts that are easier to

understand.

3. You?re more likely to finish these passages quickly, with greater confidence about

answering the questions.

4. The easier questions can also be answered simply, without much effort on your

part.

RULES FOR CHOOSING EASIER PASSAGES

1. Data analysis passages are easier than compare/contrast passages. You.ll only

have one compare/contrast passage on the test. Save it for last.

2. Passages with one table or figure are easier than passages with two or more tables

or figures. Passages with one table are usually easier to read and contain easier

questions, since you only have to look up information in one place.

RULES FOR CHOOSING EASIER QUESTIONS

1. Always answer lookup and spotting trends questions first, and then inference and

scientific method questions. Save compare/contrast questions for last.

2. If a question gives you trouble, move on. One of your prime strategies as a

successful test taker is moving on from questions that bog you down. If a question

seems too hard, or if it takes more than a minute to answer, guess at it and move

to the next question.



Impact on Coaching Classes



LEVEL OF TOUGHNESS TO REMAIN THE SAME

The debate is on whether the competition became easier or tougher. It is an issue, which

is subject to a particular student?s approach. For some it became simple. For others, it

became tough. Overall toughness of the competition is unlikely to change, as it is not a

function of the difficulty level of the examination but of the selection percentage.

The number of students aspiring for IITJEE will not reduce in IITJEE 2006. In IITJEE

2007, when students will only be allowed 2 attempts, the reduction in number of students

who could have appeared is likely to be offset by the new aspirants. In other words, those

students who did not use appear in IITJEE thinking that it requires a special kind of

preparation will also appear with a strong foundation of Class XI- XII. The selection

percentage will stay around 2%, making it one of the toughest entrance criteria in the

world.

PREMIUM FROM FACULTY TO DISAPPEAR

With such competition, the demand for coaching will stay. However, the nature of

coaching will undergo a huge transformation. The IITJEE coaching faculty members

enjoyed a special privilege of being considered specialists in training students on

descriptive problem solving skills. These skills are now redundant. The premium from

the specialist faculty will disappear.

The coaching will become similar to PMT or CAT coaching with focus on methodology

rather than the teacher. A lot of IITians had entered the field of IITJEE coaching. Their

skills may not be relevant anymore. A lot of them may decide to go back to conventional

sectors like IT. The salaries of faculty members are likely to drop.

PRICES MAY COME DOWN

The prices of the coaching classes may come down. As the cost of the faculty comes

down, the margins may get passed on to the students with reduced course fees. Now the

students will have to focus on identifying institutes, which work systematically to help a

student perform in school as well as IITJEE.



 

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If KOTA is dead ,
Then please advise how the present kids should go about preparing for all entrance exams.
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hey wiseiitian the name doesnt suit u ..........kota can never be dead...whatever pattern jee gives the institutes make u prepared for all exams.......and bansal classes is NOT a brain wash

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This analysis is good.
Can you recall where you found it?
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It is the wish of the IITs to admit genuinely talented people into their institutes and reject purposefully trained people(for IITJEE). They would make more and more admission-rules and pattern changes to discourage people from joining coaching institutes and give more opportu