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DIFFERENTIAL EQUATIONS...BET U CANT SOLVE DEM
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 5.find the curve for which the portion of tangent of the curve intercepted between the coordinate axis is of constant length.

6.find the family of curves which are such that the area of rectangle constructed on the absicca of any point and the initial ordinate of the tangent at that point is constant.
[also plz explain wht does initial ordinate of the tangent at that point mean...]


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Bet we can't solve them? Why? Is it because you can't solve them yourself? lol

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pritish u just speak big or can u even solve the sums????first solve the sums dude...then apeak wateva u wana!
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pritesh fat gaye?

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 anyone solve them

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let our curve be y = f(x)

eqn of tangent at (X,Y)  is y - Y = f'(X) {x - X}             where Y = f(X)  and f'(X) is the slope of tangent at (X,Y)

y- intercept  =  Y - X f'(X)

x-intercept  =  X - Y/f'(X)

From now on , my notation is y' = f'(X)  , y =Y , x=X   just for the sake of simplicity in typing . Hope any1 of u wont mind.

so y intercept = y - xy'       &           x intercept = x - y/y'

A/Q,  (x- intercept)2 + (y-intercept)2 = k (a constant)

         (y - xy')2 + (x - y/y')2 = k

Since length is constant we can differentiate it and equate to 0

    2(y - xy')(y' - y' - xy'') + 2(x - y/y')(1 - 1 + yy''/y'2) = 0

solving it we get x2y'4 - xyy'3 + xyy' - y = 0

xy'3(xy' - y) + y(xy' - y) = 0

(xy'3 + y)(xy' - y) = 0

either y'3 = -y/x  or y' =y/x

 If y' = y/x   it gives  ln(y) = ln(x) + c            i.e.   y = cx   a straight line

 If y' = - (y/x)1/3   y-1/3 dy + x-1/3 dx = 0

on integratin it gives  y2/3/(2/3) + x2/3/(2/3) = a

x2/3 + y2/3 = 2a/3

let us choose a constant p such that   p2/3 = 2a/3

this gives   x2/3 + y2/3 = a2/3 

this solution is accepted and the straght line solution is rejected as it is a straight line , it's tangent is the line itself .

So answer is  x2/3 + y2/3 = a2/3

Note :- This is a hypocycloid .

             Its parametric coordinates are (acos3t , asin3t).

             Its the only curve for which the length of tangent at any point intercepted b/w the coordinate axis is    constant .(as i have already shown)

You can remember the above mentioned points about the curve hypocycloid.

 

  hypocycloid is generated by the trace of a fixed point on a small circle that rolls within a larger circle.

   For more details about this curve , you may refer    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocycloid

 

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Now, it means that i have won the bet .

A piece of advice for all of you and to the person who has put the bet that you all are preparing for JEE and already there are many IITians in the market as well as on this forum who by all means are much more capable and are polishing their skills everyday . So think before any more bets

Stop wasting your time in chatting on this forum .

this forum is good as long as you uses it , the moment it started using you, everything is in the ruins

So, dont spend more than half an hour on this forum daily

 

Hope all of you will give it a thought

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as we saw in earlier question

assume y = f(x) is our curve

tangent at any point (x,y is  Y - y = f'(x) (X - x)

y intercept = y - xy'

and abscissa is of course x

so the sides of rectangle are  x & y - xy'

Area = x(y - xy') = k

y' + (-1/x)y = -k/x2

this is simple linear differential equation (the one which involves the use of integrating factor)

now please solve yourself and gain some moral back . I dont want to snatch it from you.

the answer is xy = k + cx2                                            Answer

 

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hie milind great work....Thnx a lot....n mah motive wasnt to hurt sum one or degrade the status of IITians present in the forum...i thugh people ut here will be sporty n will try to solve the question reading the topic. and anyways the post took almost over a month to be answered...I would have accepted that i was at fault had i got the answer within 30 seconds of the question being posted.!!
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n guess wht u took quite a large amount of time to win the bet so dont enjoy in its glory.
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hello dear


let the point be (h,k)


equation of tangent is::


(y-k)/(x-h) = dy/dx = m


( y-k )  = mx - mh


y intercept ::

(0,k-mh)

x intercept :

[(mh -k)/m ,0]


sum of intercept ::

(h - k/m) +  (k -mh)  =  C

put m = dy/dx and h =x and k = y


(x - y /m)  +  (y - xm)  = c

above is a differential equation,solve thi sand u will get the curve


if any problem in solving differential equation ,nudge me

 

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23 Oct 2009 11:59:01 IST
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 thnx sagar :)




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