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question not of ur level
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@ islahul_101, I don't think any question should be left unanswered (unless ofcourse one does not know too much abt the question).

My take on the question is as follows.....
In 1922, de Broglie wrote a paper detailing "wave-particle duality", which simply means that particles can exhibit particle AND wave behaviour, and waves can exhibit wave AND particle behaviour.

In my opinion the energy carrying property of an electromagnetic wave can be explained by the particle nature of EM waves. Think about it.... the photon picture of an EM wave does seem to explain the question..

@ ishahul, if U have any other point of view, do feel to write or nudge me.... I mean no offence bro!!

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u cannot explain light mr MADMAX !! simply saying photons isnt enough!! you havnt understood his question he taks of energy carried where only fields are oscillating!! moreover photons give complete phenomenon explanation of energy of light but mind you PHOTONS DON'T EXIST TILL NOW ! !
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@ islahul_101


Like I said, I'm just trying to answer svshah's question.


his question is "Hw can elecromagnaticwave carries energy in it?(magnaticfield & elecricfield are forces)"


Lemme try to answer it in a different way..... One of the main characteristics which defines an electromagnetic field (EMF) is its frequency or its corresponding wavelength. And as per The famous equation (E=hc/ lambda), there is an energy assoc with the wave. It is this energy which is propogated along the direction perpendicular to both the electrical and magnetic fields.


By the way islahul_101, who said tht photons don't exist?? A photon is simply put a quantum of energy which has zero rest mass and a spin of 1, zero electric charge and does not decay spontaneously in empty space(read http://physics.about.com/od/lightoptics/f/photon.htm for more).....and what do you mean by "till now"??You mean as in not yet discovered or as in not yet observed?? But then atoms themselves haven;t been observed (we've only seen how they interact when electrons or neutrons or other such particles...which we haven't **seen** either, are bombarded @ them). As for your objections, I'd suggest you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon#Early_objections


Heck, what U're saying is tht the BKS theory is still in play (I'm assuming here tht U know quantum physics pretty well)  and in the larger frame what U're statement implies is that wave-particle duality doesn't exist coz the particles themselves do not exist. I sincerely hope tht U don't mean tht a "solid round sphere of energy with zero rest mass" is not your definition of a photon coz @ tht level (the ultra-atomic level), solid, liquid and gas make no sense!! Its all energy-energy relations.


A simple question (assuming you know your physics): How sould you explain the working of a rectenna without the quantum model??


I hope tht u don't take any of my statements personally...... and do nudge or reply


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well ok man u wer right in your explanation(though it requires endless supply of text again)!!
but u kno something that quantum physics is jus giving away names to different particles for every different phenomenon.. so i dont trust it.. we want an einstien again not bohr!!!
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and one right thing you yourself said is its all about energy energy relations!!
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