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Q. A hypothetical magnetic field existing in a region is given by B = B 0 e r  where  e r  denotes the unit vector along the radial direction. A circular loop of radius a , carrying current , is placed with its plane  || to the X - Y plane and the centre is at ( 0 , 0 , d ). Find the magnitude of the magnetic force acting on the loop.


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I hope the figure is self explanatory :)


 


\mbox{Considering an element of length dl as shown } \\ \\<br/>dF = i dl B_{0} \sin \theta \\ \\<br/>F = i * 2 \pi a B_0 \sin \theta \\ \\<br/>= \frac {2 \pi i B_0 a^2}{\sqrt{d^2 + a^2}}



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no i don't understand.


1. magnetic field  along the radial direction  => along the radius of the loop.


2.In that case the angle b/w B ( along the radius ) and dl is 90 degree.


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Nah, radial always doesnt mean along the radius of a circle. Don't you say force on a charge q on another charge q is radial?


So I guess now you understand,  I also had a doubt in this.


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I still don't understand.


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why this dia ? why not other type of  diagram ?


Do we hav to do all of hcv magnetics ?


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It is simple !!!!!!!!!!!!

I am giving u the formal approach to solve the problem

 

 

 see , dF = I dl * B

 

Now B = B er

 

&  dl = dl e   ( Where er ,e& e are the unit vectors in the spherical coordinate )

 

 Taking the cross product , we have dF = I B e dl

 

( because  e * er = e   )

 

Now e  =  cos  cos  i +  cos  sin  j - sin  k

 

& dl = a d

 

Integrating dF , (  limiting from 0 to 2  ) noting that i & j component cancels ,

 

We have F = 2  BIa sin  k

 

Now sin  =  a / sqrt ( a^2  +  d^2 )

so Force = F = 2 BI a^2 / sqrt ( a^2  +  d^2 ) k
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But I should warn you that this is not a physical problem , only a mathematical exercise .

 

Because , according to Maxwell's eqn we must have

 

                  div B = 0 everywhere in space for all time !!

 

But for B = B er  we have div B = 2 B / r  which is non zero everywhere .

 

So nowhere in our universe you can find such a magnetic - field distribution
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oh richard !


            u r a genius.


 


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