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i am sure that u hv encountere dthis sum a lot of times

consider two massses kept on a horizontal fricitionless surface   joined by a masless spring........

now a force F is aplied on the mass..............

find the maximum compression /exptension

everyone know the psuedo force method i guess........

now let us try to solve it from the work method  or from the vel is 0 method

come on dudes this looks an easy sum but there r many intricasies ( no use of equaivalent mass)


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 max compression

that implies max spring energy

=> minimum kinetic energy (as energy is conserved)

this happens when its a perfectly inelastic collision between 2 masses

 

SO

assume a perfectly inelastic collision between the two blocks......get their velocity 

write the energy equation 2 get the max compression

 

 

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 @sujit.

ur idea is perfect u want to minimize the kinetic energy of system for max p.e .............but  i dont approve the collision idea

u can assume a collision iff an impulse acts ...but here a constant Force(not an impulsive force is acting)

 

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yaa karna is rite i think we r getting along........... tomm i will psot more sums and my working till there
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actually thi is nt the actual sum ............... from the link sorry dudes hvnt got time today also was seeing american pie
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thik hai yaar i think discussions becoming unparticative.......................


a nove and an easy way to solve this sum is  by


consider the other masss m on which the ofrce F is not applied


now  the position of equillibrium when force applied  is   F/(m1+m2)


now apply shm and the maximum extension is simple double of that 

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now is thewre any braveheart who can do this sum by only applying newtons law and enrgy method in earth frzame...........



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