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an obj in hcv says tht v tke smaller steps while walkin on ice 2 avoid slipping which ensures "smaller friction".how?


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29 Jan 2009 00:38:28 IST
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try to understand with respect to the angle made by our foot with the ground. if steps will be small, the angle with ground will be more, so less component of normal in horizontal direction, so we require small friction to keep from falling. this is a simple explanaton according to me. if you think it is correct, pls accept th answer and rate it.

 

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29 Jan 2009 09:23:53 IST
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@lovegoyal you are conceptually wrong.when we are walking on ice we take small steps to ensure that the component of the horizontal force remains as low as possible bcoz the frioction present is so low that it cant support our large horizontal force 

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29 Jan 2009 22:43:55 IST
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thats what i am saying in it. please read it properly.
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29 Jan 2009 22:44:50 IST
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I have just used a small and a single sentence fot that.



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29 Jan 2009 23:35:37 IST
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Ah ! Good question. Try to think. The more the velocity of a person on an ice sheet will be , more will be the relative velocity of ice sheet relative to that person in opposite direction. That's why it was suggested to move slowly on an ice sheet to ensure minimum friction

 

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29 Jan 2009 23:35:48 IST
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actually, we have to pick one of our leg to move one step, just imagine this snapshot!,

one foot is in air and the other on ice-floor, now the center of mass is in-between them,

so a torque can be seen (acting along the center of mass due to hanging foot in the air),

which would be minimum for small steps,

if a sufficient amount of friction force in forward direction is not provided by the floor, we will slip!!!, all this happens momentarily, so, for small & careful steps, we dont fall!!

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18 Feb 2009 19:08:04 IST
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i think love goyals answer is good...and its not CONCEPTUALLY WRONG!!!!!

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18 Feb 2009 22:06:42 IST
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i think goyal is wrong, coz there is ZERO component of normal reaction along horizontal unless the floor is tilted. .!!!

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19 Feb 2009 13:47:13 IST
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goyal is right

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19 Feb 2009 13:48:58 IST
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thanx for the support!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!no body seems to be in my favor!!!!!!!!!!

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19 Feb 2009 14:06:27 IST
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can a man exert that kind of force, yes it can but while accelerating, but we are talking about uniform motion .
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19 Feb 2009 14:44:18 IST
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while taking small steps  normal contact force is large which provides larger friction, but in case of large steps normal force decreases due to increase in angle between normal and our foot. so to prevent slipping on the road in rainy dayswe take smal steps.




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