physics chemistry maths science forums
become expert I help I sign up I login
refer a friend - earn nickels!!   
 advanced
 
Home
Ask & Discuss Questions
Study Material
Experts Zone
Hang Out!

Ask & Discuss Questions with Community & Experts

Moderation Team
 90 chars left    advanced
Ask iit jee aieee pet cbse icse state board community Community Discussion Question: Mind Boggling Doubt on rolling. Open Challenge to All.
Forum Index -> Mechanics like the article? email it to a friend.  
Author Message
tarinbansal (3593)

Blazing goIITian

Olaaa!! Perrrfect answer. 619  [868 rates]

tarinbansal's Avatar

total posts: 2462    
offline Offline
Today one of my friends was arguing that pure rolling can be obtained even in the absence of friction. He said that if we give translational and rotational velocity to a ball on a frictionless surface so that the net velocity at its lowermost point(the point which is in contact with ground) becomes zero.
 
Example in the given figure- If we take V,W such that V=RW, then the lowermost point will come at instantaneous stop and ball can roll about it.
IS IT TRUE? DOES IT MEAN THAT FRICTION IS NOT A MANDATORY CONDITION FOR SLIPPING?


The quality of a person's life is in direct proportion to their commitment to excellence, regardless of their chosen field of endeavor.

It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light.

Check out my blog at:
http://tarinbansal.blogspot.com/
(A must see for every student)

Back to goiit, this time with Baby Veerappan. :D
    
priyesh (1584)

Blazing goIITian

Olaaa!! Perrrfect answer. 256  [408 rates]

priyesh's Avatar

total posts: 1029    
offline Offline
When a body is rolling with slipping, friction is neccesary to bring it to pure rolling.
The net aim of friction is to make the body attain pure rolling motion
so if we take a wheel in our hand rotate it such that v = rw and then keep it on the floor
friction will do nothing as the body is already in pure rolling motion.
 
 
 

"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
 this reply: 5 points  (with Olaaa!! Perrrfect answer.   in 1 votes )   [?]
 
You have to be logged on to rate
  
rooney (889)

Blazing goIITian

Olaaa!! Perrrfect answer. 151  bad job dude!! I dont approve of this answer! 1  [220 rates]

rooney's Avatar

total posts: 577    
offline Offline
Yes. If initial conditions satisfy pure rolling, you dont need friction to continue it.

http://14-69-8.blogspot.com
My blog
 this reply: 2 points  (with Olaaa!! Perrrfect answer.   in 1 votes )   [?]
 
You have to be logged on to rate
  
biki (1488)

Blazing goIITian

Olaaa!! Perrrfect answer. 266  [345 rates]

biki's Avatar

total posts: 808    
offline Offline
for pure rollig what you need is that there be no relative motion between the contact points.
when a disc of radius R rolls with an accl^n a (of COM) and  the disc moves with angular accl^n @
 
every point on the disc moves with a tangential accl^n of @R.
At contact point , let the accl^n be a'
So a' = a - @R
If motion is pure rolling, by def^n of pure rolling...
a' = 0
or a = @R
This is the condition of  pure rolling.
 
 

salman khan
 this reply: 7 points  (with Olaaa!! Perrrfect answer.   in 2 votes )   [?]
 
You have to be logged on to rate
  
biki (1488)

Blazing goIITian

Olaaa!! Perrrfect answer. 266  [345 rates]

biki's Avatar

total posts: 808    
offline Offline
for pure rollig what you need is that there be no relative motion between the contact points.
when a disc of radius R rolls with an accl^n a (of COM) and  the disc moves with angular accl^n @
 
every point on the disc moves with a tangential accl^n of @R.
At contact point , let the accl^n be a'
So a' = a - @R (see figure)
If motion is pure rolling, by def^n of pure rolling...
a' = 0
or a = @R
This is the condition of  pure rolling.
 
NOTE
Now if the surface is rough,
frictional force for rolling WITH slipping exists
 
 
but frictional force for rolling WITHOUT slipping may or may not exists (i,e, may be zero )
 
 
whatever may be the case............ you must remember that for pure rolling .... there should not be relative motion between the contact points.


salman khan
 this reply: 10 points  (with Olaaa!! Perrrfect answer.   in 2 votes )   [?]
 
You have to be logged on to rate
  
ridhima (209)

Hot goIITian

Olaaa!! Perrrfect answer. 37  [49 rates]

ridhima's Avatar

total posts: 178    
offline Offline
hey
since the body is rolling the point of contact will be at instaneous rest with respect to the surface.... so no motion tendency ... so no friction
as simple as it is
cheers
do rate if u find it useful
 this reply: 0 points  (with Olaaa!! Perrrfect answer.   in 0 votes )   [?]
 
You have to be logged on to rate
  
 
Forum Index -> Mechanics
Go to:   

Top Offers for goIITians
Correspondence Courses
Brilliant Tutorials
Narayana Institute
Aakash Institute
Classroom/Crash Courses
Narayana - Kota , Delhi , Others
Brilliant Tutorials - Class , Crash
Aakash Institute - Medical , Engg
Online Test Series
Brilliant Tutorials
Narayana Institute
Aakash Institute
Mahesh Tutorials
AMITY      Sri Chaitanya