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Ask iit jee aieee pet cbse icse state board community Community Discussion Question: really tough problem from rotational mechanics. pls help.
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a light string passes over two identical pulleys of moment of inertia I and radius R each. two blocks of masses M and m are attached to the two ends of the string. find the acceleration of the block M
 
 
    
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consider the figure.
 
By constraint relations acc. of M = acc. of m
 
Considering translatory motion
 
Mg-T1=Ma
T2-mg=ma
 
Rotational motion
 
(T1-T)R=Ia/R
(T-T2)R=Ia/R
thus u hav four eqn ,four unknown
 
solve u get
 
a=(M-m)gR2 / MR2+mR2+2I
 
 
 

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There is a cute method in many of these problems that reduces the no. of equations required. Assume that M>m. Suppose the masses were both at the same height initially. After a time t, M has moved down by y and m moved up by the same distance y. Their speeds are equal to say v and the magnitudes of acceleration are say a.
 
v=R  and a = R (for the pulleys)
 
Now the energy of the system is
 
E = -Mgy+mgy+0.5Mv2+0.5mv2+ Iv2/R2 (there are two pulleys)
 
We must have dE/dt = 0 (as total energy is a constant).
 
dE/dt = -Mgv+mgv+Mva+mva+2Iva/R2 = 0
dividing by v throughout
-Mg+mg+Ma+ma+2Ia/R2 = 0
 
or a = g(M-m)/(M+m+2I/R2).

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I'll tell u a shortcut for these types of problems:
 
 
We know that, Acceleration of the masses= Net Pulling force , right
                                                                Total mass
 
So what is the                 net pulling force= (M-m)g
     what is                     total mass=M+m+(no of pulleys)/r2
 
So substituting we get ,
 
 a=(M-m)g / (m+M+2I/r2)
 
 
This works for all types of these problems, see hcv from 30-40 all will work.
 
This is in a way a valid method as we have to account for the mass of pulley which we do by the I/r2      term
 
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