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wfinal = (4*L*w+24*u)/7L
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(7*u*L)/2(4*L*w+24u) from cm away from end b ie the length above the cm
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I HAVE SOLVED IT AND ITS NOT THAT A TOUGH A SUM
IST METHOD THE SIMPLEST ONE
CONSERVING ANGULAR MOMENTUM .LET US CONSERVE IT ABT THE SURFACE F THE ROD
mV1R=(m+m)V2R1 +IW HEREI=(ML^21/2+ML^2/4=ML^2/3)
BUT SINCE V IS PARALEL TO R m+mV2R=0
SO
MVIR=IW
AND IF WE APPLY THE CONSERVATION OF LINEAR MOMENTUM
MVV1=2MV2
WE GET V2
WE KNOW THAT THE VELCOITY OF ANY POINT OF AROTATIONG BODY CAN BE FOUND OUT FROM THE COM
SO
V=RW
R=V/W
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 (4*L*w+24*u)/7L is not the correct answer paris.


The real answer is  (2*L*w+6*u)/5L .


One mistake you coulda done is that you havnt taken the I of the system as I of plank + I of ball.


Second mistake is that you changed the point about which yiu took angular momentum conversation initially and after collision. Angular momentum once fixed about a  point should not be altered even if it is conserved in all other points. Thats the only way someone will get your answer.


 


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Yes you are absolutly right it requires a good understanding of conservation of momentum and Mechanical energy . The solution can be found out by applying conservation of angular monentum about the COM and Linear momentum ( why about COM ? ) the explanation is beyond scope of Highschool physics but all that can be said COM is very special Point and you can conserve angular monetum even when its moving (Like in case of rolling).


 


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First the while apply conserbation of angular monetum about any Point "O" You have to find MOI about that point "O"


 


second very important Point in problem like this is .. if the object sticks to the rod, It changes the COM and the MOI as well


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actually my answr is completely wrong i checked it
we hv to calculate angular momentum abt the com of the systm that is
at a distance of m/2m

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Yeah, after collision, the COM of the system changes. Otherwise, varun's concept is right. The reason why we conserve angular momentum about COM is because the only force that acts on the system here is the gravitational and the Normal force, and since both pass through COM, their net torque is zero.

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