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A cart of total mass M is at rest on a rough horizontal road. It ejects bullets at a rate of lambda  kg/s at an angle heta with the horizontal and at a velocity u(constant) relative to the cart. The coefficeint of friction between the cart and the ground is mu. Find the velocity of the cart as a function of t. The cart moves with sliding.


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i think u have to use law of conservation of linear momentum

i cannot solve this
sorry
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(ucos heta - lambda usin heta)ln rac{M_0}{M_0-lambda t} - mu gt
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edit...sorry
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no one?
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edited
 
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hm guys do this one............
really invoves a lot.........
 
yaar this is takin a lot out of me........
this is called a real prob.
 
 
anand iif u know the sol post it thn plz.
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Forum experts please try........
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i couldn't do this
too tough for me
anand post it as an expert query
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Niraj Singh of IIT-D gave me the following hint......I cudnt get the ans still

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with sliding?? or without sliding???
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with sliding.....
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*edited
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solve it completely yaar......please
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@netkid
whatever you have done was already there in the hint......so I have not rated you..
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arre yaar........u just have to do integration now...............

i can't show those steps here.............
 
@anandhegde.......apni rates apne paas hi rakho.......i don't need em .
 
i just wanna help
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Take a keen look at the diagram and click to enlarge
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@ Anandghegde,
 
Before solving this problem just go through this link;

http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Aeronautics-and-Astronautics/16-07Fall-2004/EDABC2D9-6030-4F56-B369-D6CEE666F502/0/d27.pdf


And make sure that you are perfect with all the concepts in it.
 
Let us proceed,
As we know,
 
Given, Lambda (L) = dm/dt

As, Fth = (dm/dt) u
 
Thus, we have,
 
Fth = Lu              .. (i)
 
The direction of Fth will be in the opposite direction of u, because the system is loosing mass.
 
We also have variable mass = M - Lt            .. (ii)
 
Draw the FBD and resolve Fth along x and y coordinates as shown in the Figure.
 
Along y coordinate, we have,
 
N = Fth sin 0 + (variable mass) g                          
 
Substitute (i) and (ii), we have,
 
N = Lu sin 0 + (M - Lt) g                      ..(iii)
 
Frictional force f = µ N                   ..(iv)
 
Along x coordinate, we have,
 
Fth cos 0 - f = (dv/dt)(variable mass)g  
 
Substitute (i), (ii), (iii) and (iv), we have
 
Lu cos 0 - µ [Lu sin 0 + (M - Lt) g] = (dv/dt)(M - Lt) g
 
Multiply throughout by dt and and divide by (M - Lt)

And then integrate LHS from zero --> t and RHS from zero --> v
 
The sign
0t{ indicates integration from zero --> t

0t{ Lu cos 0 dt / (M - Lt) - 0t{ µLu sin 0 dt / (M - Lt) + 0t{ µg dt =  0v{ dv
 
Therefore, we have
 
v = Lu cos 0 ln | M / (M - Lt) | - µLu sin 0 ln | M / (M - Lt) | - µgt
 
Take ln | M / (M - Lt) | common and you will get the final answer.
 
I believe that whatever I have solved is correct. Nudge me if you have any query.
 
Dude, you are in XIth with me; you should have tried it yourself. Nevermind !!!
 
 
 
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here is my attempt, i don't know why the answer is not coming but nevertheless--

i am going purely by the figure, rather the hint, that has been given now--

N= Lu sin Q  + (M-Lt)g

in horizontal direction

Lu cos Q - N=ma=(M-Lt)a=(M-Lt)dv/dt

Lu cos Q -Lusin Q -(M-Lt)g= (M-Lt)dv/dt

dv=Lu cos Qdt/(M-Lt)  -Lusin Qdt/(M-Lt) - gdt

integrating from 0 to v on l.h.s and 0 to t on r.h.s

v=(Lu cos Q - Lu sin Q)  ln[M/M-Lt]/L   gt

so v=(u cos Q - usin Q)  ln[M/M-Lt]   gt



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indzee u also have attempted it!!!
are u sure u are getting the required answer?



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