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vbhr2

THE whole mathamatics is wrong!!!!!

then can u answer this

wat is 0

it is +1-1

so.

my ques is

If 0=+1-1

It means 0=nothing

+1,-1= 2 things

if we think in the enviorment or some place where there is nothing

then can you take out 2 things from nothing

Let me see who can answer thissssss

It is not possible to take out to things from nothing

like two opposite forces make net force be zero

so if we dont apply the force

at equilibrium

the net force is zero so can u take out 2 forces from it????

ANSWER THIS

feynmann

See mathematics is a fiction of imagination . It does not exist out there.

So mathematics does not require the universe to exist for its validity.

master_purav

Completely agree with feynmann on that statement.

And yes mathematics is not wrong. And yes for +1 and -1 which you are talking as two things, you must notice that they are of opposite nature. It means that two thins of opposite nature can nully each other and produce........'nothing'

Take sound waves. Two sound waves propagating in opposite directions with same characteristics can superpose destructively and produce silence. That is they cancel the effect of each other.

So the property that you are saying that you cannot take two thigs from nothing(0) is a bit incomplete. You can surely take two different things from nothing provided they are of same 'magnitude' and opposite character.

In 'Brief History of Time', Stephen Hawking had said that the total energy of universe is zero. The positive energy appears as masses of the objects in it and negetive energy is stored in their gravitational fields. Now double of zero is zero which means that universe can double its size without any need of extra energy. Thermodynamics says that there is nothing like a free lunch but the fact is that universe is the ultimate free lunch.

See example particle and an antiparticle are 2 things but when they annihilate each other their net mass = 0 but energy is released.

Also mathematics is just a tool to study science. It itself is not a science and as feynmann had said earlier, it does not universe to exist for its validity.

Also note that 0 just describes state of a situation. It is like 0 is necessary condition for a situation to contain nothing but it is not sufficient condition as explained earlier.

priyesh

feynmann is right

"mathematics does not require the universe to exist for its validity."

many laws of mathematics do not apply to the universe like
for eg: sum of the angles of a triangle is 180 does not apply in the universe as such.

that is why it is said that the work of a mathematician is easier than a physicist because a physicist has to take into account the practicality of his findings in the universe as well as the mathematics involved to prove it.
whereas a mathematician is not bothered if his law applies to the universe or not,it should only be proved on paper.

Greatdreams

Hey man think before you speak, Mathematics has been

the queen of sciences and will continue to be......Without

mathematics its impossible to proceed in any branch of

science. The point that you have brought up is centuries

old. @ Feynman is correct. Purav has also pointed out

correctly and ya what Priyesh told is quite correct.Your

knowledge is only upto Euclidean Geometry,do you know

what Non Euclidean Geometry is? Non euclidean

geometry has also its own properties and a

superstructure by itself as is Eucledian Geometry. Like

in non euclidean geometry the three angles of a triangle

never add up to 180 degrees. There has been constant

"fights" and arguements among scientists and

philosophers (from Pythagoras to Bertnard Russel,and

Alfred Godel to Allan Turing) about what is truth? Which

has not yet been answered. And so there has been a

silent understanding among the best scientists and

phlosophers that it is impossible to prove the consistency

of axioms within the system.

splashprabhu

yes your spelling of mathamatics is wrong :P

SO FIRST LEARN ENGLISH :D

splashprabhu

IT SHOULD BE MATHEMATICS

astatine19

you know, you may say that you cannot take 2 things out of nothing, but that is very much possible, and it happens all over the universe. In cold vaccum, in the absence of any other particle, it was found experimentally that pairs of particles and antiparticles appear out of nowhere and annhiliate each other all within a matter of a few microseconds. this phenomenon is explained by the theory of quantum electrodynamics, read wikipedia. this phenomenon also explains the fact that black holes emit radiation just like any other black body, when it is supposed to suck everything inside. on the event horizon (the border where light just escapes entering the black hole), pairs of photons created ( a photon is the antiparticle of itself) are separated and while one photon is sucked in, the other manages to escape and we observe it as the emission of rays. this data also proves the existence of such a phenomena. hope this provides a scientific answer to your question

drish

hey do u know mathematics is the important tool of science .

drish

maths can never be wrong ur approach and understanding may be wrong.

sagar90

first of all 0 is everything in mathematics
you cant say 0 is nothing yaar
wo apneko dhikta hai matlab wo hai
0 is made up of two equal and opposite numbers
abhi tu zero ko todega to tujhe +1 aur -1 milega (as per ur question)
to phir tereko mil gaye 2 things

agar mera soln wrong bhi hoga to bhi 0 nothing nahi hota
aur is question ke liye tu pure maths ko wrong mat bol yaar
ya their r things which have to be considered par wo to phir chemistry me bhi hai, physics me bhi hai to kya wo sab wrong hai
zara soch ispe aur phir bol maths kaisa hai

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