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what is the condition for E1-CB reaction and E1 reaction ,are all E1 reaction E1-CB reaction

    
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All E1 rxns are not E1cb. all E1cb are E1.


The conditions for an E1 reaction are a polar solvent, good leavin grp i.e weak nucleophile(e.g F-, Cl-) .


It usually takes place when a stable carbocation is formed ( benzyl, 3 degree etc.)


E1cb has all these conditions and also apart from these it needs to have a very strong withdrawing group (e.g F-) .

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All E1 rxns are not E1cb. all E1cb are E1.




The conditions for an E1 reaction are a polar solvent, good leavin grp i.e weak nucleophile(e.g F-, Cl-) .




It usually takes place when a stable carbocation is formed ( benzyl, 3 degree etc.)




E1cb has all these conditions and also apart from these it needs to have a very strong withdrawing group (e.g F-) .






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It depends upon the C-X/C-H bond strength.


1-If C-X > C-H ( in case of C-F), the predominant product will be E1cb.


2-If C-X < C-H (in case of C-I), the predominant product will be E1.


3-If C-X ~ C-H (in case of C-Cl, C-Br), then E1 or E2 wud take place. Now to find the major product between E1 and E2, we see the hydrocarbon used-


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 (i)- If hydrocarbon is tertiary- E1


(ii)-If hydrocarbon is primary- E2


(iii)-If hydrocarbon is secondary- Both E1 and E2


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tarin how can C-H bond be smaller than C-F bond is it your typing error


cs9192 F- is a weak nucleophile how can it be a strong withdrawing group

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Oh DAMN!!!
Sorry yaar, I meant Bond strength NOT Bond length.
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E1 cb reaction is not very usual, but it takes place when a weak leaving group like fluoride ion is present. also E1 suffers from isotopic effect whereas E1 cb suffers from isotopic exchange(H and D)


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also cs9192 in E1 cb a stable conjugate base is formed and not a carbocation....

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