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@jaincy
Well the govt. is not allowing it maybe because it isn't that simplistic as all of govt. being composed of immoral and corrupt brats.
Many high profile govt. people with stellar credentials and unquestionable integrity are in equal favour of welfare of their country and may not want to pass a bill that may compound the problems even more.
I saw an interview of salman khurshid on headlines today, where he actually did raise some valid concerns.
Anyway, I am not on either side of the argument, as it's been difficult for me to put things into a clear perspective. I am swaying from one side to the other and have yet to make up my mind.
That's why I posted this counter view to get a meaningful debate to reach debated conclusions.

Anyway, thanks for sharing your opinions.
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The following is an article that has been copy-pasted from : http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2011/08/14/faq-why-is-anna-hazare-wrong-and-lok-pal-a-bad-idea/

 

It is not my contribution. With so much of pro-Anna campaign, I guess it would be useful to look at the other side of the coin.

 

Also, most of the people supporting him or even otherwise, have hardly any knowledge of the Lokpal Bill. The full text of Anna hazare's version of the Bill, called the Jan Lokpal can be read here:

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/full-text-the-jan-lokpal-bill/148401-53.html

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The Article

 

Don’t fall for the miracle cure that is being offered. Corruption must be fought differently and it’s not easy.

1. Is Lok Pal is necessary to fight corruption?
No, not only is it unnecessary, it will make the problem worse. Corruption in India arises because of too much government, too many rules, too much complexity and too much ambiguity. Adding one more, huge, powerful layer to an already complex system will make the system even more complicated. Complexity creates the incentives for corruption–both on the part of the bribe giver and the bribe taker.

See my article on why Jan Lok Pal is no solution and Amba Salelkar’s article in Pragati.

 

1A. Is the government’s version of the Lok Pal bill better?
No. We don’t need a Lok Pal at all. Making existing constitutional institutions—like CAG, CVC, CBI and the Election Commission—more independent will serve the purpose equally well. If we have been unable to prevent the politicisation and undermining of these instutitions why would we be able to prevent the Lok Pal from being politicised and undermined? If we can prevent Lok Pal from being politicised and undermined, why can’t we restore the independence and credibility of CAG, CVC, CBI and the Election Commission?

2. What’s the alternative to Lok Pal then?

The alternative is to proceed with second-generation reforms, or Reforms 2.0. Contrary to conventional wisdom reforms have reduced corruption, albeit by moving it to higher up the government. In 1989 an ordinary person would have to pay a bribe to get a telephone connection. By 2005, there was no need to pay a bribe at all and anyone could get a phone in minutes. Yes, 2010 saw the 2G scam in telecoms, but that was because the UPA government reversed the reform process.

In fact, data show that perceptions of corruption are lower in some sectors of the economy, usually those that have been liberalised.

If you are interested in exploring real alternatives, you can start by reading Atanu Dey’s slim, easily readable and inexpensive new book, “Transforming India”.

3. Doesn’t Hong Kong have an Ombudsman and doesn’t it enjoy low corruption?

This is a specious argument. There is little evidence to prove that Hong Kong has low corruption because it has an Ombudsman. On the contrary, there is empirical evidence from across the world suggesting that countries with high economic freedom are perceived to suffer from less corruption.

Hong Kong is one of the freest economies of the world, and therefore, incentives for government officials to be corrupt are relatively low. The Ombudsman is useful to address the residual corruption in economic sectors and in sectors like law enforcement that do not have discretionary powers over economic sectors.

4. How can we have economic reforms if the corrupt politicians don’t allow it?
We have not really demanded them at all, actually. If we did, they are bound to register in the national political agenda. We should persuade politicians that their political future is linked to implementing economic reforms.


5. Easy to say, but how can we do this?

By voting. The constituencies that stand to benefit from economic reforms—the middle class—needs to vote in larger numbers. In the absence of the middle class vote base, politicians appease the poor by giving handouts and entitlements, and cater to the super rich by allowing the crony sector to exploit the half-reformed economy. It’s not easy, and we have to be innovative. See for instance, Atanu Dey’s interesting idea to form middle-class vote banks to induce good governance.

Whatever may be the claims made by the people promoting Lok Pal, there is no miracle solution. They are peddling miracle weight-loss pills. Sadly, such pills usually don’t work and can cause severe damage to your health. If you are cautioned not to take those pills, you can’t ask “which other miracle weight-loss pill do you recommend”? The answer is in diet and exercise, which is hard work.

6. In the meantime, what’s wrong with Jan Lok Pal?
This question has already been answered above, but it’s usual to encounter it again at this stage. The problem with Jan Lok Pal is that it’ll make the problem worse. Does anyone seriously think we can hire tens of thousands of absolutely honest officials who will constitute the Lok Pal? Who will keep watch on them? Maybe we need a Super Lok Pal, and then a Hyper Lok Pal to watch over the Super Lok Pal and so on…This isn’t sarcasm, this is the logical extension of the Lok Pal argument.

7. Don’t we have the right to protest peacefully? Why do you say that a fast-until-death lacks legitimacy?
Of course we have the right to protest peacefully. But it’s not about whether we have the right or not. It’s about are we using that right wisely. (You have the freedom of speech but that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to blast Eminem using a loudspeaker at 2am in a residential district.)

As Ambedkar said while introducing the Constitution in November 1949, once the Constitution came into force, we should avoid all non-constitutional methods like protests and satyagraha, for they are the grammar of anarchy. If two persons go on fasts until death for two opposing reasons, we cannot decide the issue by allowing one person to die first.

Fast until death is political blackmail. It is a form of theatre engaged in to coerce the government into doing something that the agitators want. Whatever may be the cause, a single person cannot be allowed to dictate laws to the whole nation.

8. Doesn’t Anna Hazare have the right to fast until death?
Anna Hazare has the right to protest peacefully. However to the extent that his actions amount to an attempt to commit suicide, they are illegal. The government can legitimately prevent him from killing himself whatsoever the reason he might have to attempt suicide.

9. You are an armchair intellectual. Shouldn’t we trust activists more?
Pilots don’t design aircraft. Practicing doctors don’t discover new drugs and treatments. These jobs are usually done by armchair intellectuals. So being an armchair intellectual is not a disqualification.

You shouldn’t trust intellectuals or activists because of what they are. You should examine their arguments and make your own judgement. Most of the people supporting Lok Pal have not examined what the proposal is, have not tried to consider opposing arguments and blindly accept it as a solution because some famous people said so.

11. Aren’t those who oppose Anna Hazare’s agitation supporting the corrupt politicians?
No. It takes an enormous amount of arrogance to claim that Anna Hazare and his supporters have the exclusive hold on the right way to fight corruption.

In the real world, it is foolish to expect 100% clean and non-corrupt politicians. The real world challenge is to achieve good governance with imperfect constitutions, imperfect institutions, imperfect leaders and imperfect citizens. This requires us to realise that individuals respond to incentives. If we remove incentives for taking or giving bribes, then corruption will be lowered. We can reduce incentives for corruption by following through with the reforms that started in 1991 but have stalled since 2004.

It is entirely possible to oppose the UPA government’s politics and policies, while recognising that it is the legitimately constituted government of the country. Individuals and parties might suffer from a legitimacy deficit because of flagrant corruption, but the Government of India as an institution remains the legitimate authority to make policy decisions for the whole nation.

12. Why is fasting illegitimate when Mahatma Gandhi used it in our struggle for independence from the British?
There is a huge difference in context between 26th January 1950 when the Constitution of India came into force and the time before it.

Mahatma Gandhi used civil disobedience against laws imposed on India by the British government. Indians had no say in how the laws were made and how they were implemented. Indians could not repeal laws we didn’t want. Civil disobedience was justified in this context.

Gandhi also used it to coerce Indian nationalist leaders too, including Ambedkar and the Indian National Congress, into accepting his views. Whatever might be the wisdom of Gandhi’s intentions, this was undemocratic and created a culture of ‘high command’ that lives on to this day. Fasting was not justified in this context. This part of Gandhi receives little attention in the dominant narrative of Indian history.

With the formation of the Republic of India on 26 January 1950, things changed profoundly. All Indians have a say in how laws are made and how they are implemented. We can amend or repeal laws that we do not like. There is, of course, a method to do this, which must be followed. These are the constitutional methods that Ambedkar referred to in his grammar of anarchy speech. When constitutional methods are available, there is no case for non-constitutional methods like satyagraha or hunger strikes.

There is thus no equivalence between Gandhi’s satyagraha against the British ruling us and Mr Hazare’s hunger strikes against we ruling ourselves.

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@ Priyank Kumar,

It was quite a revealing article. hadn't come across something like that before.

And the IIT prof. you quoted makes a very valid point about people giving money a preference over values, interest, principals.

It most certainly is a horror story that's unfolding in front of us at this moment.

But I am optimistic. Things are impriving.

Let's hope for the best.

Cheers!!
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@Sudheer Singh

Thanks for enlightening me on what a moron I have been.
I guess you must be an IIT'ian, and I guess that's where that condescending attitude comes from.

Anyway, please do enlighten me on the precise relationship between algebra and geometry and then explain it such that the relationship is self evident.

Hoping for a quick reply from such an enlightened and brilliant scholar like you, Sir.Thank you.
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@Debotosh
Hey welcome to the club bro..!!!

It makes me laugh even more at the way education is in this country....

Here we are, a bunch of enthusiasts, who if given the opportunity would be the ones to produce quality research later in our academic career.....and then you have the clueless money hungry ba*tards getting to be the "IITians" and getting all the opportunity in the world.....

Anyway, what are you doing currently? Engg. or B.Sc. in chem. or what, and from where?
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@Gayathri devi

Thanks for the comment.

I'm not too sure that I'll be a great scientist or not. That's a big shot.
Currently my worries center around "will I even get admission in any decent US university?" !!
But anyway, thanks for the encouragement....
Cheers!!
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@Aditya

Good luck with the job, hope you do great.
As for a Ph.D. I guess it could become diffcult for you to get admission into top uni's in the world, if you do enter the corporate world.

But anyway, good luck with whatever you choose.
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@priye
Thanks a lot for the encouragement.
I never looked upto the IIT's the way others do. I simply wanted to get in there since it had one of the "better" courses availible.
Either way, pursuing pure science in India is a waste. So I'd have to go to US or elsewhere for that. I knew that all along.

IIT simply would have helped me get into the better courses in the world much easily.

But I was never really upset when I didn't clear JEE.
The only difference now is that I now have more challenges than I would have had were I in IIT.
But that's a good thing isn't it? Even if I never win over these challenges, it's these very challenges that unexpectedly crop up from nowhere, that give a direction to life, that makes you wanna live just a bit more and wake up the next day.

Else it would all be pretty boring and drab.
So yeah, you are right. As long as I am enjoying these challenges, life and getting the opportunity to do whatever I wish, I am winning!!
And so are so many others out there....!!
Thanks anyway, for the encouragement and dropping by...!!!

P.S. It boils my blood too, when I see the sort of questions you talked about in the forums here and elsewhere on the net.....but there are reasons for why most guys are like that......and that discussion is for some other day.....!!!
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@Aditya
So you planning to pursue physics further or yur gonna take the safe path out......!!
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@Aditya
Won't even think of it.....it's my life.....
you a physics guy too?
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Score good where? IIT, CBSE, or some other state board or what?
Anyway, to get a good understanding of concepts, you should use the book by H.C. Verma. But when you do it, do it completely. Do all questions, all types of questions not just the numerical ones.
To succeed in CBSE, just chew and digest the NCERT. Wouldn't matter even if you don't have the slightest clue of what is that you are ratofying.
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Ramprabhas........gaandu sale ....... angrezi likhna or bolna seekh.......
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What crap......even the name is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. "Quantum school of tech.", that's as stupid as "gravity school of tech" or "electricty school of tech." or "proton school of tech.".Don't pay attention, everybody.....its probably some filthy rich illiterate douchebag with lots of money to invest on a university......
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@AXE
I don't know if I'll make it big or not.....and anyway that's irrelevant....
and also, there are a lot of people like me......you are one for example......
the problem is that the situation of the country, socially and economically is such that it doesn't encourage free learning.......
but hopefully things will change as socio-economics changes....
anyway, thanks for dropping by.....n good luck to you too...!!!
Cheers!!
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@Chetanyes I somewhat found the answer. It's in chapter 22 of Feynman's lectures on Physics (volume 1). You can read the chapter here: http://www.peaceone.net/basic/Feynman/V1%20Ch22.pdfLook for eq 22.9 in this chapter. You'll have to more or less read the entire chapter to get an answer.
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@AXEI've gotten used to it now......And just dicovered, that's how things work, not just in the case of JEE but almost everywhere in life.....So i guess gotta change my attitude......can't rebel against the whole world.....!!! Cheers!!
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@jaincy dwivediSo true.....Have a look at this article I wrote specifically addressing the state of education in India: http://www.goiit.com/posts/list/community-shelf-the-meaning-of-education-how-indians-have-no-1053273.htm
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@yeshwanth seshadri
I chose the only decent option I had, pursue engg. for the time being and prepare my undergrad. physics alongside. I plan to apply for grad. studies in theoretical physics in US after my engg.
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gamma rays.
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 The answer is NO.

 

This can be verified using Gauss's Law.

 

Draw a concentric sphere "INSIDE" the spherical shell, that is, the radius of this gaussian sphere is less than that of the spherical shell.

 

Apply gauss's law to this.

 

 zero

 

The R.H.S. is zero since the net charge inside this gaussian surface is 0.

The net charge inside any such gaussian surface will be zero, AS LONG AS THE GAUSSIAN SPHERE YOU DRAW IS INSIDE THE SPHERICAL SHELL.

And thus electric field inside the spherical shell is always zero, even when there is a charge on the surface of the spherical shell.

 
 
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