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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 16 Mar 2008 19:57:51 IST
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A side wall of a wide open tank is provided with a narrowing tube through which water flows out, The cross sectional area of the tube decreases from S=3.0cm2 to s=1.0cm2 The water level in the tank is h=4.6m higher than that in the tube. Find the horizontal component of the force tending to pull the tube out of the tank. (neglect viscosity of water) ..this is from irodov..i am not able to solve it tried it many times..so please give the total solution without just giving the start..
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i think somebody else had also asked this question the other day i had done this before(not on my own) but felt too tired to post the solution(it was a long one).
if nobody posts the soln i'll post the soln tonight
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 16 Mar 2008 20:19:02 IST
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hey anchit.. can u plz reply.... i'm not able to solve this on eout
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 17 Mar 2008 11:21:55 IST
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At A,B,C--
SV = S1u = sv (as volume flowing is same) or
R2V = y2u = r2v ------------------1
where S,R,V are area of cross section, radius and velocity at point A (As S= R2)
similarly for B,C
and v2 = 2gh
applying bernoullis theorem at B and C--
PB + u2 / 2 =Patmospheric + v2 / 2 ------------------2
horizontal component of force =
F=[ r ] [ R ] (PB - Patmospheric )2 y dy =[ r ] [ R ] [ v2 / 2 - u2 / 2] 2 y dy using 2 = [ r ] [ R ] (v2 - u2)y dy
= [ r ] [ R ] v2 ( 1 - r4/y4 )ydy using 1 = v2 [ r ] [ R ] ( y - r4/y3 )dy which on integration gives --
= v2/2 * [y2 + r4 /y2] from r to R
= v2/2 * *(R2 - r2)2 / R2 )
= v2/2 2(R2 - r2)2 / R2
= v2/2 (S-s)2 / S
= gh(S-s)2 / S as v2 = 2gh
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 17 Mar 2008 13:47:32 IST
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@ anchit but how exactly does this force pull the tube outta the tank??
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 17 Mar 2008 13:53:39 IST
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maybe the force with which the water rushes out is same as that the water exerts on the tube !!!
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 17 Mar 2008 13:56:49 IST
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edited
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 17 Mar 2008 14:33:05 IST
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hey anchit... thanx a lot yaar... u're a genius!!!
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 17 Mar 2008 14:37:48 IST
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@ computer 001 and einstein if you look at the tube... it's walls are oblique... so, when water comes out, it exerts force on the walls normally.. that force is resolved to horizontal and vertical components... the horizontal component is the force which pushes the tube out and vertical forces cancel out each other in this case..
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 17 Mar 2008 14:41:26 IST
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edited: my initial argument was wrong... but @ coolvig: no resolving of forces... the total force itself will pull the pipe out...sorry for my initial mistake abt viscous force etc.
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 17 Mar 2008 20:16:39 IST
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the part abt pulling the tube out.. it is very similar to force of water placed in a conical vessel...in tht case force due to water @ each pt has to be resolved so as to get the net force downwards.. in this case the force need not be resolved cuz the net force in this case itself is similar to the resolved downward force in case of the conical vessel mentioned above
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