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bases are electron donors so any electron donating group will increase the basicity
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12 May 2008 23:49:25 IST
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see when the ring contains electron releasing group at the ortho n para positions
this reduces the resonance of with the ring
and it should inc. the basicity ( H BOND IS STRONGER , i hope i m right )
but this would happen with para positionn only
in ortho position go out of plane (steric reason)
so resonance is alone from ( SO THIS TIME BOND ISWEAKER )
I THINK THIS SHOULD BE THE POSSIBLY THE REASON
but i'm not sure !
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12 May 2008 23:49:54 IST
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in ortho methyl aniline, initially there is no steric repulsion. But in the conjugate acid, there is repulsion between the extra proton and the CH3 group at ortho position.............so less basic
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12 May 2008 23:52:55 IST
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pls explain me again ab to mujhe bhi answer chayie ab to
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12 May 2008 23:52:58 IST
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@anandghegde
i think ya got it dude, but can ya be a bit more specific, plz..!!
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 12 May 2008 23:58:43 IST
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what is not clear?
initially in the ortho isomer ther was no steric repulsion..........but once protonated, there is repulsion between the extra proton and the ortho CH3(as there is more crowding now)
so the conjugate acid is not so stable....hence ortho methyl aniline is reluctant to get protonated 
hence it is less basic
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 13 May 2008 00:30:45 IST
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Kb of Toulidene(no.2 ) is 2.6 X 10^(-10)
Kb of Aniline is 4.2 X 10^(-10)
Implies Aniline is more basic.. Morrison and Boyd, people..
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 13 May 2008 00:31:13 IST
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Look at my explanation again.. It's damn accurate..
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 13 May 2008 00:37:52 IST
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mind giving the page no. of morrison from where you got those?
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 13 May 2008 00:41:12 IST
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i think it should b da 1st one coz of ortho effect due to ortho effect aniline is more basic than ortho methyl benzene
ie when dere is a group present in da ortho position of aniline den it due ortho effect it will be less basic dan aniline
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 13 May 2008 00:42:58 IST
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Look toulidene up in the index.. I have an older edition, it was 860 on mine..
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 13 May 2008 17:21:48 IST
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ortho effect is applied to benzoic acid.
inductive effect do not depends on steric factor ther4 CH3 will hv its +I effect. anddddddddddddd
somewhat hyperconjugation , both of these effects increses electron density on N and ther4 ease in electron donation increses and hence basic strenght of latter is mor than former................
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 15 May 2008 14:05:47 IST
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see these types of qn are very simple remember a simple rule ACCEPTORS INCREASE ACIDITY WHILE DONORS DECREASE Thus methyl group will act as a donor thus incresing the basicity
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gaurav
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 16 May 2008 18:43:52 IST
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