I'm from Kota, and here for defence.

First for some statistics correction. In the very first post, you mentioned that out of 6000 students, only 10% are selected from Bansal, which is 600. But the selection figure is 1600! Please state your statistics correctly.

Then, somewher in between, I read that if your parents can afford Kota and you have average talent, you can crack IITJEE. THis is the most hilarious thing I've ever read. I've known a guy who has been preparing for bansal's entrance exam for years. He's not quite that intellegent, and even though he has managed to get into bansal, he's not able to cope up with the workload, and has started slipping already. I tell you, he wont be able to make through. One place, you say that only 3% are selected. Another place, you say that if you manage to get into bansal, you'll get into IIT. And in both places, you'll curse the institutes! How fair is that? And will the selection % differ if there were no institutes?  the IITs will still remain a dream for many students

Those who think that bansal gets good results only because they take the good students, I'll take my own example to prove them wrong. I entered bansal without any proper training. I had secured 90.93% in 10th maharashtra board, which although is quite good, is not yet good enough. I also didnt get a good batch initially. But the teaching was so absolutely awesome that I managed to get AIR 96 this year. And whats this rubbish that these coaching institutes teach only tricks and methods to solve problems and kick the conceptual part. Those who say this either dont get the concept themselves, or have never been to kota and experienced their teaching. On the contrary, they teach the concepts so well and thoroughly that the students can solve any type of problem.

As for the board exams part, Bansal never tells you to skip classes. THe timings never clash. Its the students who bunk. Infact, our sirs always warn us against this. As for the mockery of The Indian Education System, I think the fact that they are still able to get good results in XII, keeping in mind that the syllabi of JEE and XII are similar, it only shows that the coaching classes have done their job well.

THe institutes polish your basic skills, so you are able to study advanced stuff easily. IIT wants students with talent, and skill in engineering. If the institutes provide the foundation for this by strengthing the basics, whats wrong with that? The coaching institutes are created by market forces. Had the government created more and better institutes, this would not have happened.

And given the JEE result this year, I dont think its yet established that the institutes at kota are not good for the new JEE pattern.

I was good enough to crack JEE on my own? That i know, maybe it IS my own excellence. But let me tell you, that had i continued in mumbai, going to the best college, where commuting times are 4 hours a day and then 6 hours in college, where would i have found time to study? IS there any quality institute there which matches up to the institutes in kota? many of my friends, who were as good as me upto 10th, i might add, took these institutes and failed to clear JEE. I am attributing my success to Bansal because there, I was ABLE to do all the necesary hard work. No one can doubt the quality of the material bansal provides, and the teaching also helps. How can this be simply neglected? JEE is not a weird phenomenon, not when you have the confidence, but mr rydbyrd, dont tell that to a top 100 ranker, ask any ordinary student on the street! they will not know the name of kota or bansal, but yet IITJEE IS a weird phenomenon for them, a place only for the elite few. Institutes like Bansal help them direct their concentration and hardwork in the right direction, enabling them to achieve what was once a mere dream. Seeing the few numbers that  are selected for IIT, i think it is not easy to have self-confidence.

Yes, JEE is a test of student capability, but they dont want an empty, powerful brain! what use is a supercomputer without any hardisk?? you need proper understanding of concept, finer nuances to be expained which only a teacher can do on a personal level - books will fail miserably at this point.

As for the 2 year back thing, I took bansal when the objective pattern had already been announced. But still, their results have only improved.

As for your 3 year challenege, let me tell you that bansal has just fired its missle salvo. Till now, classes were held in some school or an old building; but bansal has completed the construction of a mammoth building, called Gaurav Towers, which has facilities to rival international airports, and teaching facilities unsurpassed. Their capacity has vastly increased thanks to this, and nothing will stop them from rising. For a photo, see my profile...

AS for the cyber cafe part, i agree with paddydude, its the students who go astray. And children at this age WILL go astray if they want to - parents or not. ask my friends here in mumbai. Bansal Sir doesnt aim to replace parents, but tries to make sure that their absence does not affect the children adversely. It is unbecoming of you to hurl such accusations at a person who has single handedly revived the dying city of kota and realised so many student's dreams to be among the best. I am not a representatine of bansal, neither am i paid to say such things. It is my respect towards that person that makes me say out against you.

I refuse to post further. This is the umpteenth time rybyrd and wiseIITian have, TOGETHER, tried to criticize coaching classes. I never see them post anything else, neither do u see only one of them post. They have always criticized together, which i find highly suspicious. If you really say that the ability of students is what matters, then why are you so HELLBENT on criticizing classes? How does it matter?

If you really want to help, please answer student's queries in the forums instead.

Adios!

Edited: Mr. Rydbyrd, I did some research on you, and it took me 2 mins to find out that you yourself are of a coaching institue, the QUEST TUTORIALS. So obviously, it is profitable for you if the institues of kota are maligned. This is what gave you away: http://www.goiit.com/posts/list/institutes-and-material-time-table-47759.htm#284305

Now everyone will be able to see the truth for themselves

Cheers! :) I 've always wanted to be a detective too..

Bansal is the best. You get full time to study for JEE. And the fact that many students are studying together motivates you to study.

I am myself from Pune. See , here there are a lot of distractions. STRICT attendance in coleges , classes which concentrate only on the best and leave the rest to die , other non - iit preparing students enjoying their lives , cafes , and parents futhur pressurising you.

In such an atmosphere you barely get 3.5  4 hrs daily (on weekdays ) to study. Isn't this injustice?

I am not denying the teaching standards at Pune. It's the best and will remain so.

Many people here advise you to STOP studying JEE and concentrate on CET. Why , bcoz JEE is TOUGH. Bloody losers!! This really distracts you.

Also , scoring here in 12th std. is very tough (You barely get 75 %)

People hold lectures here (They call them experts) and advise against dropping , saying yoou won't make it.

Other non - iit students tease you and make a mockery of you.

Thus , I feel , come what may be the pattern of JEE , Kota will survive.

yeah sidd.......spot on......u describe the conditions of pune very well maan.....(have been keeping track of ur recent posts).....and yeah.......in a city like pune we really dont get the time to study......i mean i personally  used to study in a junior college which was arnd' 18 Km frm my house.....nd had to go to college daily by bus or sum public transport......nd to catch the bus i had 2 walk to a bus stand that was arnd 2 Km frm my house.....nd after spending 7 hrs in my stupid college used to go to my tuts. then after a 2.5 hrs ka lectures used to return home.....at arnd 9-9:30.....cuming home tired and exhausted i used to sit down to do my college work...complete my journals(thats a big time draw back of a maharashtra board college).....nd sum how gather time to study for my jee.....i sumwat managed my preps becoz i used to bunk my college a lot and never be used to caught and after going thru' all this i sum how managed to clear my JEE this year (but not with a great rank though).......not jus. me but ask any maharashtra board ka guy studying in pune....eg. MUDIT, funky (these are users on this site).....so definitely its better to give ur time completely to ur jee in sum insti. in places like KOTA.....but i believe that nothing is impossible.......it can be done in pune too( know sum student frm my college regular at college as well as studs too...99.8%ile in fiitjee consistantly )...but it is definitely more difficult than in a place like KOTA.....but still i believe that it all depends on what u do rather than where u do or with whom u do.....and Astie (a frndly nick name to "astatine" only if he never minded)....congo mate for ur wonderful show....keep it up and all the best for the future......

OK mr rydbyrd, you want to know abt air 1, i can tell that shitikanth lhas studied in the same classroom as i have in kota for 2 yrs. And i dare you to prove that i am being paid to say this

If students at goiit are advertising agents for these institutes, then why are YOU advertising for Quest Tutorials??