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(posted on 20 Jun 2008 13:54:10 IST)
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i read this article last night, and its a great great one,
But I hav a problem
this article also raises one important question.
What is the reason or purpose that we live a life for?
well, some of u would say to enjoy this beautiful life.
is it really that beautiful?
this question hit me (as it may hav hit many of u several times) last year in june-july when i was in 12th. i thought , what is our ultimate goal, To do something big in this world? To accumulate big money?
To keep our relatives and all others happy as much as we can as it gives us satisfaction?
And then die.
So at the end of the day(life), wat did we get .
We'll not remember anything after dying (I don't believe in life after death) .
this question always prevented me from studying.
what we'd get by studying?
but today i am standing at a different position.
today i believe that our purpose of living is to find this very purpose. i believe that we can find this purpose by studying the nature. And I think this science stream gives us the best opportunity to do it. (This study includes the study of the atoms and the cosmos at the first place). So far we 've reached upto the big bang and now we need more study.
i want to finish this comment by saying that NOTHING( And I mean NOTHING) matters in this world. If we believe that a super entity created this universe, then it raises the ques. that who created this entity?
So i believe that chosing a science stream and working hard in it is as important as our life .
i want to write more but i think this comment would already raise some agreements and disagreements from u.
Not offending any one here , just presenting my view. |
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(posted on 20 Jun 2008 19:34:20 IST)
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thanx for ur comment timeslasher
i agree with u but not completely
i believe u r in this world for a reason....our goal in life is to identify the reason and live accordingly
u said we must study science to study nature but wat about those who r not born with the aptitude, temperament and intelligence to study science
there is a famous quote that i wud like to share :
live as if u will die tomorrow but study as if u will live forever
i agree u wont get anything that u have earned in ur life after ur death, but i think u must live ur life in such way hat people around the world wont forget u even aftre centuries of ur death
u can live in this way either by entertaining people, helping people or by inventing something that wud help people all thru their life.... |
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(posted on 20 Jun 2008 20:04:27 IST)
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Now I don't know what to say , i think we both have quite different views.
We shud always remember that we(the people) are here just and JUST randomly , I mean that this life is just not that important .
remember that if the earth was a bit far or near from the sun, there wud hav been no 'us', there wud hav been no life here . So it is just a mere coincidence that we are here.
One more contradiction in our views:
I don't believe that All people hav different aptitude and intelligence.
its just the hard work they put in.
As far as temperament is concerned, that depends on their environment. This universe is not about us people only.
We shud not think on this human scale (or this 'life' scale) but we shud think on a universal scale.
if there had been more people involved in science in the past our current knowledge of the universe wud hav been more.
ok , i don't wanna start any debate here. we shud know that the view of one of us is right and the other's is not quite right. i am not saying that i m right or u are right, but this debate wud wud never end.
so i am stopping here. |
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(posted on 20 Jun 2008 20:06:21 IST)
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| And one more thing , i m never ever against the view that we shud enjoy this one life. If I had been , i wud not hav been alive today. |
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(posted on 20 Jun 2008 23:13:04 IST)
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whoa dude....u r rite and u r wrong
i completely disagree with u on one point : u say that all people r equally intelligent
where did this come from? u wanna say shitikant (the iitjee topper of this yr is as intelligent as the people who failed their boards this yr? u mean that newton's and ur intelligence is same? yeah i agree if there had been more people with scientific aptitude in the past, we wud have been much technologically advanced but dont we have enuf rite now?
compare a r rahman and u...have u ever thot of playing music?
pardon me but i think u dont score high on creative level thats why u wont understand fully wat i m saying.....and wat wud difference wud it make if u think on a universal level wen it is not even confirmed that life exists or not in any other planet.... |
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(posted on 21 Jun 2008 01:13:49 IST)
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I think u missed one of my lines : it's the hard work they put in that matters. And i m equally intelligent as A.R rahman is.
let me make one thing clear . By intelligence, I mean to say the potential to do something or anything , i can be better than A.R. rahman if i practice music. and i m sure at this point of time , he may not be able to solve maths sums which i can.
And in ur last lines u r agian talking about life ,
look for the drake equation, that is a scientific answer to extraterrestrial life.
i m trying not to go off topic with this ' life ' discussion. |
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(posted on 21 Jun 2008 04:32:16 IST)
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u asked me what about the people who are not born with intelligence to study science,
Dude, no one is born with intelligence ,
intelligence comes with age,maturity, experience and hard work.
Intelligence is not static but can be increased with practice,
i think the word intelligence is being confused with talent here.
U asked me whether mine and newton's intelligence is same.
I ask u which newton are u talking about?
the newton at age 3, the newton at age 9, or the newton at age just before he died.?
i think for the first two ages, i m more intelligent than him.
And i can become more intelligent than the third age if i study the laws of science more than what he studied.
So in my previous comments , i always meant that every body has talent and every body can become intelligent by practice.
i may have used improper words previously. |
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(posted on 21 Jun 2008 12:21:12 IST)
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look timeslasher i firmly believe in one thing : u will be able to do hard work and will be able ti give ur 100% only in something u r genuinely interested in
lets come ack to the a r rahman example, i agree he was not born with the abilities to play music, he learnt evrything wen he was growing up....but think :u also must have been introduced to music at some age, then y didnt u take it up as ur profession, simply coz u lack the aptitude and passion that ar rahman had, ditto goes with rahman, he also must have been introduced to scientific probs at some age and he also didnt think of making a career out of it coz he wasnt genuinely interested in it.
see i think the basic difference between the two of us is that u have a scientific mind and i have a creative head and i dont reckon u wud ever agree iwth wat i m saying, neither wud i agree iwth watever u r blurting
i was talking about newton wen he was ur age....the world and the history abounds with prodigies like einstein....
genes play a significant role in shaping a person.....certain people are gifted and u cant deny or oppose that...waddya say?
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(posted on 21 Jun 2008 14:12:36 IST)
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The question isn't that why did i chose to be scientific and why did a. r. rahman chose music?
the question is Which one of the two spheres is more important?
Even i m not out of music and i think almost everyone loves music but can music solve the mysteries of the
universe?
Can it tell us what caused the big bang?
Rather science and mathematics can tell us what this music is ?
it can tell us why we like or dislike certain genres of music.
today the computers can generate better music than humans.
look , even i had taken music in my calsses 8th to 10th, even i was interested in music and i don't know
how many times i thought of chosing music as a career.
But u see , at that time i had not realised that music and other wordly spheres don't matter at all if u don't
know what is the cause of your existence? so we can say that A. R rahman has still not realised that the
most important thing in our world is to know the purpose of our existence.
yeah , i am still confident that no one is gifted with anything. our environment always influences us to chose
one from many things.
you say 'genes play a significant role in shaping a person' > i totally agree with that . in fact it is again
science about which u r talking.
I hav never said that a biologically or mentally retarded person is as intelligent as a normal person,
If you ask that what is the mistake of this person that he is not as capabile as others, I 'll say that isn't his
mistake. Its just the randomness and probability we r talking about . some people call it luck.
Even me or you could have been mentally ill .
And what do u mean by a scientific mind , Dude, remember that our brains are made of the same material.
we live in different environments and probably u have not realised what i hav realised.
I read some where that after einstein's death, scientists examined his brain . And it turned out to be a bit
bigger in size than a normal one. So its again biology (science) playing a role in determining the
intelligence. may be his brain gradually got bigger becoz he always used to think more than the others. |
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(posted on 21 Jun 2008 14:57:56 IST)
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And i want to remind u again that u r still talking about the interests of humans.
i ask you why don't u talk about the interests of microbes?
Sounds funny?
remember that the microbes have their own small universe.
We are keeping an eye on them through microscopes.
And they r not even aware about that.
now consider the same scenario on a larger scale.
It is quite possible that some beings from a higher dimension are watching us and we are not even aware.
So their is no upper and lower limit we can think of.
in others words , i wanna tell the same thing again that as microbes are not so much important to affect our daily life, similarly we are also not important at all. |
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(posted on 21 Jun 2008 17:06:08 IST)
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dude i dont think either of us wud budge
look, wat do u wish? do u want everyone on this planet to become a scientist or an engineer?
tell me something : can u spend the rest of ur life without any sort of entertainment? can u spend even one normal day without supplying pleasure of any kind to ur senses?
i believe there r four kind of people in this world :
1) people who study science, invent things and make us more technologically advanced and make our life easier. These kind of people generally become scientists and engineers.
2) people who entertain others. this kind includes actors, musicians, directors, authors, etc. they r high on creativity.
3) people who do nothing but earn money. they dont much indulge in entertaining themselves coz they hardly get time out of earning money
4) people who dont earn much or any money. theytake advantage of wat the other three categories provide : technology, entertainment, money. these kind of people score high on spreading love.
each one of these categories is as important as the other three, none can do without the other categories. tell me can u do without your mother who probably belong to the fourth category or ur father who probably belong to either the second or the third category?
and if u say that the only mission people have on this earth is to help in scientific advancement, then in a way u r saying that all people who r not scientists or engineers live in vain...dont u think this planet will become a boring place tp live in if wat u want happens. if u think everything can be explained in terms of mathematical equations then can u provide me with the equation of love and hatred?
i also acknowledge the fact that a lot depends on probability and luck but u cant base anything and everything on it, can u?
science has its limitations and u cant disagree on that
u can never tell who was the first living organism...u can never be sure on big bang....remember heisenbergs uncertainity principle....there r many things which science can only speculate and can never give a radical explanation to. u know wat leave evrything, just tell me the reason of deja-vu (it is happening of something, even if just for a second that u have seen already in ur dreams) i m sure u must have experienced this many times
i feel the end of this debate is as impossible as the possibilty of science explaining the basis of dreams and deja-vu...
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(posted on 21 Jun 2008 19:09:31 IST)
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--IT's just a matter of TIME.
You have asked me about the explanations or the mathematical equations of love hatred etc. first of all, i have never said that the scientists HAVE discovered the mathematical equations for all these. i said that it CAN be done , it's just a matter of time. Think of our forefathers or the philosophers of ancient times , they could well experience many amazing things but could explain them, thay were not able to give equations . We have to wait and study, only then we can explain what we observe . for example newton discovered gravity, but he couldn't explain it's cause , but today, we are on the verge of discovering the Higgs boson and the Graviton (look CERN for further reference ),which will explain the cause of gravity and also why particles have mass.
similarly , there have been a few research papers on human feelings(love , hatred are just two of them) .we hav already identified the hormones responsible for love and hatred, We are yet to discover those equations. (surely, hormones are studied in chemistry or biology, which i believe, are a part of mathematics) .
One important line --SCIENCE AND MATHEMATICS DO NOT HAVE LIMITATIONS , ONLY THE PRESENT TECHNOLOGY HAS , which is very important for further discoveries. As technology grows , discoveries will grow. One example is the particle accelerators(or particle smashers) and another one is a telescope. We may not have discovered that protons and neutrons are composed of quarks without the these instruments which were impossible to built a 100 years ago. So just wait. for the future.
Some lines from wikipedia--
'''''Biological models of love tend to see it as a mammalian drive, SIMILAR TO HUNGER OR THIRST.
Studies have shown that brain scans of those infatuated by love display a resemblance to those with a mental illness. Love creates activity in the same area of the brain that hunger, thirst, and drug cravings create activity in. New love, therefore, could possibly be more physical than emotional. Over time, this reaction to love mellows, and different areas of the brain are activated, primarily ones involving long-term commitments. Dr. Andrew Newberg, a neuroscientist, suggests that this reaction to love is so similar to that of drugs because without love, humanity would die out.'''''
--Deja-Vu
I agree that i have experienced it many times and every time i m amazed. You shud have looked up wikipedia before asking about it. The article there explains it as:
'''''most likely explanation of déjà vu is not that it is an act of "precognition" or "prophecy", but rather that it is an anomaly of memory.''''''
''''' the experience of déjà vu is possibly a neurological anomaly related to improper electrical discharge in the brain. As most people suffer a mild (i.e. non-pathological) epileptic episode regularly (e.g. the sudden "jolt", a hypnagogic jerk, that frequently occurs just prior to falling asleep), it is conjectured that a similar (mild) neurological aberration occurs in the experience of déjà vu, resulting in an erroneous sensation of memory.''''''
THERE R MANY EXPLANATIONS FOR DEJA_VU and LOVE, BUT I DON"T WANT TO COPY AND PASTE MORE.
One of ur lines is :''''can never give a radical explanation to'''
How can u be so sure about science and the future?
This line that u wrote has been existing from ancient times . but slowly, everything is getting uncovered , is being explained.
Look , i 've again and again told u that i m not against love, entertainment and any other professions. I totally agree with u that all the people on this earth cannot be engineers or scientists? But atleast they shud have a scientific temperament. what do u think? don't the scientists love their children? Don't they have emotions? Don't they laugh or cry?
u r again refering to human love , interests and many earthly things and repeating again-"don't think on the surrounding scale , it's not that important.'' |
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(posted on 21 Jun 2008 19:13:20 IST)
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| Sorry, By mistake , i hav posted the comment with another username. |
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(posted on 21 Jun 2008 21:19:14 IST)
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| just excellent |
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(posted on 21 Jun 2008 21:31:37 IST)
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@TIMEslasher00 how can you type such long comments?Great.
For the article and the comments Excellent is the only word i know. |
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