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if the lengths of sides of the triangle ABC satisfy


2(bc2+ca2+ab2)=b2c+c2a+a2b+3abc then the triangle is ?


note:all 2 except the one outside bracket are squares


 

    
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it is an equilateral triangle.    


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it is quite obvious from the equation that this will be satisfied only if a=b=c.   or if you want the proof...you can ask - and i'll provide it to you.   the thing is...i am a bit busy right now, so can't type out the whole proof.  will do it later.   


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if the lengths of sides of the triangle ABC satisfy



2(bc2+ca2+ab2)=b2c+c2a+a2b+3abc then the triangle is ?



2(bc^2+ca^2+ab^2)==b^2c+c^2a+a^2b+3abc

ab(2b-a)+ca(2a-c)+bc(2c-b)-abc-abc-abc=0

ab(2b-a-c)+ca(2a-c-b)+bc(2c-b-a)=0

let b-a=p

ab(b+p-c)+ca(a-c-p)+bc(2c-2b+p)=0

a(b^2+pb-bc+ac-c^2-cp)=-bc(2c-2b+p)

a(-2cp+pb+b^2-c^2)=-bc(2c-2b+p)

-2cpa+pba+ab^2-ac^2+2bc^2-2b^2c+pbc=0

pc(-2a+b)+pba+ab^2-ac^2+2bc^2-2b^2c=0

p^2c-apc+pba+ab^2-ac^2+2bc^2-2b^2c=0

a(b+c)(b-c)+2bc(c-b)+p^2c+ap(b-c)

(b-c)[a(b+c)-2bc+ap)+p^2c=0

(b-c)(ab+(b-p)c-2bc+ap)+p^2c=0

(b-c)(b+p)(a-c)+p^2c=0


i am unable to think further


i will post the remaining soln 2morow


 


 


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i actually thought of a different method



2(bc^2+ca^2+ab^2)=b^2c+c^2a+a^2b+3abc



2abc(b/c+c/a+a/b)=abc(b/a+a/c+c/b+3)



put c/b=p



2(1/p+pb/a+a/b)=(b/a+a/pb+p+3)



put b/a=m



2(1/p+pm+1/m-1)=(m+1/mp+p+1)



2((m+p+p^2m^2-pm)=m^2p+1+mp^2+mp



m(2-mp)+p(2-mp)+mp((2mp-1)-(2mp+1)



put mp=r



(m+p)(2-r)+r(2r-1)-(2r+1)



put m+p=y



2r^2-r(3+y)+2y+1



solving for r



[(3+y)+/-root(1+y^2-10y)]/4



considering only the positive value(just for simplicity)



[(3+y)+root(1+y^2-10y)]/4=r............................................j



we know that m+p=y



mp=r



(m-p)^2=(m+p)^2-mp



(m-p)=root(y^2-4r)



m=[root(y^2-4r)+y]/2..........................................................f



p=2r/[root(y^2-4r)+y] (as mp=r)...........................................1



but from the equation p=[y-root(y^2-4r)]/2..................................g



from f



2m-y=[root(y^2-4r)



(2m-y)^2=(y^2-4r)







from g



2p-y=-root(y^2-4r)



(2p-y)^2=(y^2-4r)



from these two results



p=m is one of the soln



equating 1 and f



2r/[root(y^2-4r)+y] =[root(y^2-4r)+y]/2



4r=y^2-4r+y^2+2y(root(y^2-4r)



4r-y^2=y(root(y^2-4r)



squaring on both sides







16r^2+y^4-8ry^2=y^2(y^2-4r)



16r^2+y^4-8ry^2=y^4-4ry^2



4r=y^2



substituting the value or r from j



(3+y)+root(1+y^2-10y)=y^2



3+y-y^2=-root(1+y^2-10y)



9+y^4+6y-2y^3-6y^2=1-10y



y^4-2y^3-6y^2+16y+8=0



let t,y,u,i be the solutions of y(like i am not getting nice integers after trying with calculator)



we know that y=p+m



and that p=m



p=m=y/2



p=c/b and m=b/a



as p=m , b^2=ac



also mp=r=c/a



p^2=m^2=c/a



let p=m=i/2(putting one of the soln of y)



i^2/4=c/a



4c=ai^2



we know that b^2=ac



b^2=aai^2/4



b=ai/2(considering only the positive value)



so the sides are related as a,b,c=a,ai/2,ai^2/4, it can be an equilateral triangle if i=2


but putting the value of i in y^4-2y^3-6y^2+16y+8=0,  it is not coming out to be 0

for this to be a right angled triangle



a^2i^2/4=a^2i^4/16+a^2



putting i^2/4=h



h=h^2+1



solving, we get imaginary roots, so this is not a rt angled triangle too




it is not coming ut to be 0 , so it is not a rt angled triangle


 


for it to be isosceles, any of these three conditions should be satisfied  a=ai/2,ai/2=ai^2/4,a=ai^2/4




let us take the first condition a=ai/2


i=2 is not the soln


so , it is rooted out


ai/2=ai^2/4


it is also rooted out


so, we are left with only


a=ai^2/4


i=+/-2


substituting y=-2 in

y^4-2y^3-6y^2+16y+8=0


it does not satisfy the equation


hence , it is not an isosceles nor equilateral triangle nor a rt triangle


the value of y is nearly equal to 0.45


i will post the soln tomorrow


 


 


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sorry, the values of y are coming out to be -0.44,-0.2481(along with two imaginary roots)
but p and m cannot be negative
also, if we take the question into consideration,
2(bc^2+ca^2+ab^2)=b^2c+c^2a+a^2b+3abc
rearranging,
c(2a^2-b^2)+a(2b^2-c^2)=-2bc^2+a^2b+3abc
putting the value of b^2 as ac
[c(2a^2-ac)+a(2ac-c^2)]/[-2c^2+a^2+3ac]=b
[4a^2c-2ac^2]/[-2c^2+a^2+3ac]=b
2ac(2a-c)/[-2c^2+a^2+3ac]=b
substituting the values of a, b, c as a,ai/2,ai^2/4
we finally get
i^4-2i^3-6i^2+16i-8=0
but this is different fron the earler equation y^4-2y^3-6y^2+16y+8=0
where i is one of the soln of y
only the sign of last term is different
cant understand y
salute assured 4 the best reply (with proper reasoning0
now if we substitute i=2 in i^4-2i^3-6i^2+16i-8=0
it satisfies the equation
and also i=2 makes a=b=c
so acording to the condition the triangle is equilateral


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am i correct?

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is the triangle equilateral traiangle or not

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