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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 24 Aug 2008 14:59:26 IST
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A stone vertically thrown up with velocity v takes t seconds to reach back without cosidering air resistance. Now due to the air resistance will this time increase, decrease or remain same ? Pls justify your answer! I don't know the answer.
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 24 Aug 2008 15:23:38 IST
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Probably air resistance do not effect the velocity of a particle !!!! since it has its definite value then also it is so small that it could be neglected !!! so the time 't' will remain same !!! CORRECT ME EVERYONE IF I'AM WRONG!!!!
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 24 Aug 2008 15:30:58 IST
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first of all it depends on the mass of the body if the body is lighter than the air resistance it takes more time to reach n if mass is more than the air resistance the air resustance can be neglected !!!!
Ex : take a feather or a leaf when there is no air flow the leaf falls earlier than when there is air it tsakes more time to fall !!!
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 24 Aug 2008 16:02:52 IST
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Suppose it is a round stone whose density is far more than air. I felt that it will go to a lesser height due to air resistance and so total traverse time may not change. We are discussing the effect if it is not neglected. It is true that effect is negligible. Still I am eager to know what it is?
Pls continue discussion!!!
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 24 Aug 2008 18:04:06 IST
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i guess it will take less time bcoz due to air resistance it will travel less distance and thus will take less time to come back.........
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 25 Aug 2008 18:21:49 IST
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 25 Aug 2008 21:17:24 IST
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While going up the forces opposing motion are mg+f instead of mg, so time to reach max. height will be less(ofcourse height will be less).
While coming down force mg supports motion and f opposes, (mg-f) so it will be slower.
Net result could be that there will be no change in total time.
After seeing the varying opinion of everyone, I feel that question itself was wrongly placed, in the sense that there can't be a definite answer as it depends on various factors such as initial velocity,stones density, its shape, terminal velocity etc.
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 26 Aug 2008 21:14:41 IST
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Dude, I think total time will not change, but reason is different.
We know that period of a simple pendulum does not change when amplitude comes down due to air friction!!!
So here also time may not change if it is a stone.
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 26 Aug 2008 22:10:20 IST
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while descent time of free fall will increase coz of air resistance nd viscous force of air....
so net g acting on body will decrease leading to high time of descent
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 26 Aug 2008 22:50:14 IST
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cant say so easily...
y dont u juss calculate... problem is tha whn there is an additional force opposing motion distance travelled in two cases is different.... and while going up and coming down acceleraton of body changes in case of air resistance... a is acc due to friction by air
like let initial vel =u
final vel=0.. acc =g => time taken = u/g...
total time = 2u/g
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2nd case: whle going up ... 0=u-(g+a)t => t= u/(g+a)
and 0= u^2 -2(g+a)s =>s=u^2/2(g+a)
now while going down
s is same.... but acceleration is g-a
=> s= 1/2 (g-a)t^2...(putting value of s)
=> t^2 =u^2/(g+a)(g-a)... => t= root of u^2/(g+a)(g-a)...
now total time=
u/g+a +u/root(g+a)(g-a).... =/= 2u/g
we thus have conditions depending upon magnitude of a....
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 26 Aug 2008 23:32:29 IST
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Just solve the equations of motion and use g/3 or g/2 or some fraction of g instead of using g itself, and see.
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 27 Aug 2008 21:25:31 IST
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@saurabh_reincarnated
Thanks for the effort. I think it is a complex problem. Your 'a' is not constant. It is a function of velocity.
As per this formula it appears that time is decreasing.
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 27 Aug 2008 22:00:08 IST
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@saurabh k....yaaar....i ll caluculate nd give u
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 27 Aug 2008 22:09:10 IST
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TIME OF ASCENT..
LETZ TAKE THE NET FORCE ON THE BODY...WHEN IT IS IN ITS ASCENT..
NET FORCE=mg+Fair
mg'=mg+Fair
g'=g+Fair/m
Ta=u/g=(root2g'h)/(g+f/m)
=root(2(g+f/m)h/(g+f/m)2) (by substituting g'=g+f/m)
=root(2h/g+f/m)
similarly.....Td=root(2h/g-f/m)
so ta less than td.
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