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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 8 Sep 2008 13:37:36 IST
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two blocks of diff masses r placed over each other on a rough horizontal table.the mass of d lower block is 10 kg nd dat of d upper mass is 5kg.the friction coefficient b/w d 2 blocks is 0.1 nd dat b/w d table nd d lower block is also 0.1.a force F is applied on mass 10 kg towards right.
find d acceleration of d 2 blocks when 1)F=100N, 2).F=30N and3)F=20N
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 8 Sep 2008 14:01:13 IST
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WHEN force =100n
now here frictional force on block = (10+5)*10*0.1= 15n
so the block can move hence by FBD of 10kg block
EQUATION= F-15-5=100- 20 = 80
accn = 80/10=8
for smaller block accn by pseudo force = 5*8-0.1*50 = 40-5 =35/5=7m/s^2
so ans is 8m/s^2 and 7m/s^2
is it right ????? so that i can answer other parts
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 8 Sep 2008 20:37:11 IST
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is abhi right? . plz slv d othr 2, nd gv me d ans. i hv slvd dem but just wnt 2 cnfrm b'cauz i d'nt hv d ans.
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 8 Sep 2008 20:46:34 IST
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NOW WHEN FORCE = 30N
FBD FOR BIGGER BLOCK
= 30-20=10N
so accn = 10/10=1m/s^2
so pseudo force on m = 5N
BUT WE CAN SEE THAT = 5N SAME so the smaller block will move with M block
so they both move together accn = 30-15=15/15 = 1m/s^2 for both
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 8 Sep 2008 20:48:38 IST
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and for F = 20N the blocks will not move so accn =0m/s^2
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 8 Sep 2008 21:34:44 IST
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SEE THIS IS A SIMPLE SUM THE FRICTION BETWEEN THE OWER BLOCK AND GROUND 15N THE FRCICTION COFFIECIENT BEWTWEEN THE BLOCKS=5N WHEN A FORCE 100N IS APLIED FOR LOWER BLOCK 100-15-5=10A A=8 FOR UPPER BLOCK 5=5A A=1 WHEN A FORCE 30 N LOWER BOCK 30-15-5=10A A=2 UPPER BLOCK 5=5A A=1 WHEN A FORCE 20N THE TOTAL FORCE ACTING OPP IS GREATER SO THERE WILL BE NO RELATIVE MOTION BETWEEN THE BLOCKS THIS DOESNT MEAN THE BLOCKS WONT MOVE THEY WILL MOVE WITH SAME ACC SO 20-15=15A 5=15A A=1/3 PLS RATE ME IF U FIND ME USEFUL !!!!!!CHEERS!!!!!!!!
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 9 Sep 2008 16:12:37 IST
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Varun you are totally wrong in 1st part
where is the pseudo force man!!!!!!!!!!
you have not taken it into consideration
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 9 Sep 2008 18:23:01 IST
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second case for the lower block 30-f1-f2=10*a =>30-15-5=m10*a => a=1 (lower)
now for the upper... 5=5*a => a=1 so both move together
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 9 Sep 2008 18:29:10 IST
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now in the third q ABHI i would like u to post the sol for the third part in ur method...bcos i still am not very clear how to workout this case from relative frame however i will post the sol according to my method..... do the same F-20 =10*a u get a=0 now this is relative acc.... relative acc is 0 means they dont slip but they move together
so 20 -15 =15*a => a= 5/15 =1/3........ABHI i am waiting for ur method....
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 9 Sep 2008 18:31:39 IST
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OK only now i went through varuns sol.....as i told ABHI it is not wong......that is relative thats why he did not take pseudo force...bcos his frame is diff........and varun did u know y u were not taking pseudo force this is very important....
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 9 Sep 2008 18:40:48 IST
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WELL i think you have only mentioned the " respect to ground method "
firstly you have proved that there relative vel is 0
then by you have got the ans 1/3m/s^2
which is respect to ground only
SO YOUR METHOD IS WITH RESPECTIVE TO GROUND ONLY
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 9 Sep 2008 18:45:11 IST
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but he has stated that accn lower block is 8m/s^2
and of upperblock is 1m/s^2!!!!!!!!!!!
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 9 Sep 2008 18:45:28 IST
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ya thats what i have done but only by using ground that is my method i prove that relative vel is 0. and use that but what i wanted to know is that how will u do the q without proving rel. vel is 0 or by proving it only relative frame......
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 9 Sep 2008 18:48:13 IST
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I HAVE THAT METHOD ONLY !!!!!!!!
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![[Post New]](/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) 9 Sep 2008 18:53:26 IST
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